advise on vr4 and gsr

[GSR06]

All Bros and Sis,
Let me recall... VR4 is much more older compared to GSR and in terms of reliability, GSR is much more better than VR4. In terms of fuel consumption, GSR is much more better than VR4.

Also, actual performance is based on power to weight ratio and depending on where you put these engines into which body ... la la la...

Who said GSR can't smoke VR4 or Evo? It all depends on what the modifications are as well as who the drivers are and how much $$ one is willing to invest.

Don't be always too narrow minded by saying higher cc will be faster.. neh... this is not the case though.

This is just my personal opinion though. No hard feelings.

 

[Mininova729]

Correct, but if both with perfect tuned, sure Evo and Vr4 will smoke Gsr.
No wonder almost of true draggersss choose to have Evo engine. It has high limitation of mods compare to GSR.

 

[MitonCT26]

There's no replacement for displacement.

 

[fUnc]

There is no such thing that a newer engine (but still around 10 years old engine) is more reliable than a older engine (around 15 years old). It all depends on how you maintain the engine during/after conversion that counts.

If GSR is seriously better than VR4, why do they convert to VR4 in the first place? GSR "saves more fuel" and "more reliable" and roadtax is cheaper too!
And why are those GSR owners migrating over to the 63s family?

Of course driver counts, would you be proud driving a GSR to smoke an uncle driving his son's VR4 to go yum cha with his friends?

Don't compare a modded GSR vs a stock VR4 please...if you were to compare that way, a pretty heavily modded VR4 can whoop F430 on the straight anytime.

Given the same amount of money to build a GSR and a VR4, I'll place everything I have on the VR4. Why, you ask? First of all, after market performance parts for 63 family are readily available. For 93, you don't have as many varieties of after market parts. Then comes the reliability of the engine.Lets see how much a GSR has to spend on internals compared to the VR4 when the engine hits 400bhp.

Don't be always too optimistic at times...certain facts can't be changed. There is no replacement for displacement as MitonCT26 said.

No hard feelings though, just my "personal" opinion.

 

[karl5511]

Hmmm...and that why i want to go for 63's family...but unfortunately...

 

[jinkl]

All Bros and Sis,
Let me recall... VR4 is much more older compared to GSR and in terms of reliability, GSR is much more better than VR4. In terms of fuel consumption, GSR is much more better than VR4.

Also, actual performance is based on power to weight ratio and depending on where you put these engines into which body ... la la la...

Who said GSR can't smoke VR4 or Evo? It all depends on what the modifications are as well as who the drivers are and how much $$ one is willing to invest.

Don't be always too narrow minded by saying higher cc will be faster.. neh... this is not the case though.

This is just my personal opinion though. No hard feelings.

no hard feelings , bt the gsr's conrod is like a lidi compared to vr4s , how bout reliability at 30psi :D i can bet the gsr block will have a hole and the conrod rolling on the floor

u can see, not many SDB cars use GSR , they clock more to cross the 1/4 mile , if u spend 10k on a GSR , i know you can beat the hell out of the vr4 , but you know if u spent the same amount on the vr4 , the gsr will only be seeing the tail light vr4 , doesnt matter if the body is satria , wira or putra.

i know doesnt mean higher cc will be faster, bt in this case , following my experience , n off cos sifu mitons ,hehe :D gsr's alwiz get the beating

but one thing , if only the owner spent it on the right mods

if a vr4 owner goes n change his piston , conrod , crap mods worth 10k
and the gsr owner fits in a mivec head + a GT30R , of cos the vr4 will get whopped in glory , so it depends, if the owner is blindly modding , of cos money wasted :D

 

[GSR06]

Thanks for all the inputs... appreciate it but did you comment based on other people's input or you have experienced it yourself or none of these two? Needless to say, I know the answer :)

 

[GT_AUTO]

hahaha....sure kena shoot one if talk like that.:)

 

[karl5511]

Hahaha...come on, make me go for gsr. Endorsable...
But, i dont think so, mostly prefer 4g63.

 

[evo3]

Wah... i agree with Miton and Jin.

Don compare GSR and VR4 as both engine belong to a different class. If compare stock to stock with a wira body, GSR can only see the Vr4 tailight. :)

And if i'm not mistaken, Melvin aka SDF's VR4 took 3rd or somewhere there in Sepang, few years back.

 

[fUnc]

GSR06,
You don't know who Miton is. I bet he's been playing mitsu years longer than you do.
I'm driving one VR4 myself.
Well then, go ahead and mod your 1.8 GSR.
Someday when you kena tapau by a 63T, you'll say "Tiu...that one 2L engine maaaaa"

 

[jinkl]

Thanks for all the inputs... appreciate it but did you comment based on other people's input or you have experienced it yourself or none of these two? Needless to say, I know the answer :)

lol i know it myself

im previously on evo3 , now on vr4
u need more history of zth ?
khoyos previously on 4g61 then later on vr4 legendary fiore wagon sepang
melvin sdf one of our legends , vr4 4wd beast on sdb , td06 25g
miton vr4 then later he curi 4g64 block with ct20b hyrbid
djlanevo3 previously on evo3 then changed to vr4 block
xcheong on evo3 , customized a 4g67 block n fitted in vr4 internals
cipan_supercas on evo2 stock
bertdeen on t67 turbo vr4
jo1 on nice US recipe turbos cams and vr4
kriminalz previously on k27 turbo , now err dunno vr4 too
WEJ on vr4 block , big ass turbo , air-water cooler ,
vtec_killer , built a monster vr4 with a hks t51spl turbo rating more than 600whp
cypress_8 stock evo 3 block
s1997 stock evo 1 block


show me your GSR's boy :D , one of the most powerfull GSR's thats in malaysia i guess is the one owned by DSP Batu Caves , with a Mivec Head , all internals were changed to forged to cope with the power , stock GSR block will have blown long time ago , with a GT35R Ball Bearing turbo

VR4's are uselss when stock boost, we tend to have a very low comrpession ratio , with stock turbo , stock everything , by just uprating its boost levels, u can already see the GSR headlight far away , lol


serenum on GSR , happy with the stock boost , playing around in Sepang Track Days,
Dj`Revo on t3/t4 GSR - u can ask how he feels on GSR upgradability
DSP David on stroked Mivec GSR + GT35R turbo , getting 12.5 Seconds on SDP


i can list you more but just that cant remember all you guys :) and psttt, im not picking this list from somewhere, all are ppl that I do know from zth
all gsr users who needs upgradability really feel a slight regret as they could not go far with stock internals ,

 

[mag9556]

lol i know it myself

im previously on evo3 , now on vr4
u need more history of zth ?
khoyos previously on 4g61 then later on vr4 legendary fiore wagon sepang
melvin sdf one of our legends , vr4 4wd beast on sdb , td06 25g
miton vr4 then later he curi 4g64 block with ct20b hyrbid
djlanevo3 previously on evo3 then changed to vr4 block
xcheong on evo3 , customized a 4g67 block n fitted in vr4 internals
cipan_supercas on evo2 stock
bertdeen on t67 turbo vr4
jo1 on nice US recipe turbos cams and vr4
kriminalz previously on k27 turbo , now err dunno vr4 too
WEJ on vr4 block , big ass turbo , air-water cooler ,
vtec_killer , built a monster vr4 with a hks t51spl turbo rating more than 600whp
cypress_8 stock evo 3 block
s1997 stock evo 1 block


show me your GSR's boy :D , one of the most powerfull GSR's thats in malaysia i guess is the one owned by DSP Batu Caves , with a Mivec Head , all internals were changed to forged to cope with the power , stock GSR block will have blown long time ago , with a GT35R Ball Bearing turbo

VR4's are uselss when stock boost, we tend to have a very low comrpession ratio , with stock turbo , stock everything , by just uprating its boost levels, u can already see the GSR headlight far away , lol


serenum on GSR , happy with the stock boost , playing around in Sepang Track Days,
Dj`Revo on t3/t4 GSR - u can ask how he feels on GSR upgradability
DSP David on stroked Mivec GSR + GT35R turbo , getting 12.5 Seconds on SDP


i can list you more but just that cant remember all you guys :) and psttt, im not picking this list from somewhere, all are ppl that I do know from zth
all gsr users who needs upgradability really feel a slight regret as they could not go far with stock internals ,

Fully agreed and totally salute them....
Coz I have try on my fren Vr4 Before.. from 0 km/h within 4 lamp post 200 km/h liao... very salute those whom sacrify their time and money for their monster....

 

[karl5511]

You know a lot of zth members... Done mods together haa?

 

[GT_AUTO]

Fully agreed and totally salute them....
Coz I have try on my fren Vr4 Before.. from 0 km/h within 4 lamp post 200 km/h liao... very salute those whom sacrify their time and money for their monster....

mag,4 lamp post....that 200 meter right?damn that was fast....

 

[jinkl]

You know a lot of zth members... Done mods together haa?

hehe , not done mods together la, mostly friends :D , from forumer to friends laa

no need say bout SDF turbo1 sifu laa , vr4 black 4wd legendary car , sold bt err hehehe bt his gatal hands bought it back

khoyos , the one n only aunty fiore wagon on sepang track with high cams and 20g turbo , we cruise together time to time :D

miton , he is a sifu marrrrr , bt errr married and retired lolx

djevo3 , met this mate sometimes ago , stil keep in touch, car sold , now into corporate world , so errr a decent sonata :D

cipan supercas, no need to say laa, uncle is a good tuner , pushed my car 301whp on stock ecu , stock turbo n stock block

xcheong , bertdeen got to know u guys from Teh Tarik sessions

jo1 , kriminalz , WEJ , all setiawagsa kaki

vtec killer aka joshua no need to say la , who dunt know this crazy dude
ppl put t51spl 800-1000hp capable turbo on a vr4 kakakaka

cypres8 & S1997 penang gay boys , happily married kakakaka

serenum , errr u cant see him anywhere hehe other than the sepang track

djrevo , u go ipoh, ask for taikor besar kete cepat :P

GT_Auto , still unidentified :D bt bro, wht do u drive la forum buddy , alwiz posting same time with me kakakakka

david DSP , the sifu to transplant my first evo3 engine to my bay

 

[GSR06]

Cheers Guys !! No hard feelings.

Func, that means your VR4 is the best lor... can tapau all the GSR... salute to you for your very brave statement. Wish you all the best.

 

[zac]

Is it recommend to transplant a evo3 / vr4 into my car? i am using mivec at the moment and got enough money to go for turbocharge, but seemed like i was quoted with quite a number of internal parts to make it's durability.. so might as well convert to e3 or vr4... question is, its definitely no go by jpj, yet i never kena tahan so far as my wira is clean with no bodykit...

1.is it means that i took e3 and vr4, it can works well with minimum GT2876 with no internal part to be replace?

2. If my ride's exterior remain like sheep, should i go for this risk move? (illegal transplant no insurance covered and might taken by jpj) i got approval letter of 4g13 to 4g92, if i ketuk the engine number of e3 / vr4, and showed to officers that letter do i stand a chance? : )

3. Is there a lot of 2.0 users, drive without approval? how bout those guys mentioned above?

4. vr4 and e3? which one is better? i dun wanna waste money again, refer to the post before, i already bought ecu, gtr cooler, 42mm wastegate, type-r bov, does it means that vr4 are more suitable?

Thanks for providing me the answer... : )

Z

 

[fUnc]

Cheers Guys !! No hard feelings.

Func, that means your VR4 is the best lor... can tapau all the GSR... salute to you for your very brave statement. Wish you all the best.

Get your eyes cleaned or checked.
I'm not saying MY VR4 is the best...its proven fact that VR4 is a better engine to build for power compared to a GSR.I dont see John Sheperd using a GSR to build his ultimate machine if a GSR is as "good" as you are trying to prove.

Well, its your own money (and mine). Spend it the way you like. Just make sure someday after you lose to a VR4/Evo and say "Thats a 2L I'm going against" you will think of me

 

[jinkl]

zac : already replied u thru ur thread b4 , e3 and vr4 with GT28RS , it will handle with peace without touching the internals dude, bt i wouldnt recommend a evo3 as the compression is too high , if u r playing mild boost, it will very very sweet , with the vr4 block u can hit 650cfm or air flow and it would still be going well if tuned well

if u have the GTR intercooler n stuff , it will be more suitable on a Vr4 or evo3 :D ,

u dnt have to run illegally , u can opt for 4g67 1.8 block n work on fit that block , get JPJ aproval as well as make the 1.8block to 2.0 block by transfering the vr4/evo internals

thank you

as for GSR06 :
as i can say , not all vr4's are more powerfull than gsr's , i can bet i will loose with several gsr's myself , hell , i even got whopped by our forumers 4g61 before , bt all we are saying is , ur money spent to make the gsr engine stronger , can be already used to create a beast on the vr4 stock block , money to power ratio , gsr is way tooo expensive to be made stronger and no matter what it will alwiz be a 1.8 engine. vr4's have a choice of 2.3 and also 2.4 stroker kits , gsr's ?

by the time u change ur conrod and pistons , the vr4 will have sufficient cash for a 50trim garrett to hit 350whp :P