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<blockquote data-quote="ixeo" data-source="post: 1064427810" data-attributes="member: 14889"><p>pomen answered the gearbox price question. as for breaking even, CFE paired with manual, you would be making profit on every unit you sell. there's no "breaking even" because Proton already has the CFE engine and the manual gearboxes. There's no additional R&D costs incurred. Manual gearboxes are proven, bulletproof, the Punch VT3 is not. In fact, Proton is the FIRST car manufacturer to use the VT3, Proton is being a lab rat.</p><p></p><p>As for replacing the object with Preve. Frankly speaking, I don't know the answer. But educated guesses would be</p><p>+ For the love of God get the design right, like a Hyundai K3, New Mazda 3. As above, use Lotus designers.</p><p>+ Seriously, BUILT QUALITY is severely lacking, button popping off? Really?</p><p>+ Pricing. Proton cars are not competitive in price at all. To give you an idea, Hyundai and Kia first priced their cars cheap to enter the market, then now their selling price is on par with Toyota and Honda. In USA for example, during the last 10-20 years, Hyundai first fought with low pricing, 10 year warranty, but they had subpar design, engine and transmissions. Today, Hyundai is sometimes priced higher than Toyota & Honda, they have very good designs, and they have engines that share underpinnings with Mitsubishi.</p><p></p><p>Proton's mentality now is wrong, cause they compare themselves against Toyota and Honda. Don't "compare" yourself against them, cause that benchmark is too low. Aim against Mercedes and BMW. And make cars that rival Mercedes and BMW..then maybe you can win the fight against T&H</p><p></p><p>If your son study and aim to pass with 50%, the best he can do is maybe 60%. But if he targets 100%, the best he can do is 100%.</p><p></p><p>By doing the Satria Neo Turbo, you'll capture a market that has no competitor in Malaysia, and also in many countries. But that CFE engine needs to push more horses... 200bhp and you're golden. Bank on something you are good at, Proton (with Lotus) is good at handling, so make a seriously HOT hatch. Build something that beats the 208 GTi, Clio RS, Fiesta ST and Polo GTi. Seriously with Lotus and the expertise from the Super 2000, from Cusco.. if they cannot beat them, go bury themselves. Nissan (with Lotus's help) can build a car to beat Porsche, why can't Proton with Lotus build a car that beats a Ford. LOL. </p><p></p><p>Proton needs a trojan horse into the hearts of people, by perpetually making shit cars, it will, over time, change people's perception to shit. Just do something that people would be proud of, and onlookers will be in awe of. Seriously nobody gives a shit that your car parachuted to the North Pole and successfully started the engine. Cause nobody will drive that car in North Pole anyway, rather than doing stupid things like that, just build the Satria Neo Turbo, bring it to nurburgring and clock the fastest time against the Clio, 208, Fiesta ST, Polo GTi. Whack them at their own game, then undercut them by selling cheaper. Then, get Top Gear UK to review it, and you're golden. No bells, no whistles, no fancy flappy pedals, just a down to earth car that drives. </p><p></p><p>Alternatively, transfer the ownership of Lotus Europa S to Proton, rebadge it to Proton, let Proton manufacture that, stick a Campro CFE engine inside and start doing business. </p><p></p><p>If Caterham can stick around for so long with an obsolete Lotus 7, I think Proton can do the same.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Good idea, maybe should change topic to How to Improve Proton.<span style="color: Silver"></span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"></span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"><span style="font-size: 9px">---------- Post added at 04:33 PM ---------- 6 hour anti-bump limit - Previous post was at 04:28 PM ----------</span></span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"></span></p><p><span style="color: Silver"></span></p><p></p><p>I feel Satria Neo is nicer than Suprima, just lacking headroom. Why you feel Suprima nicer? Pray tell. Satria Neo is dated already, it needs a facelift, like how BMW facelift their cars, or how Alfa 156 did their facelift in 2003, really OMG huge difference.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ixeo, post: 1064427810, member: 14889"] pomen answered the gearbox price question. as for breaking even, CFE paired with manual, you would be making profit on every unit you sell. there's no "breaking even" because Proton already has the CFE engine and the manual gearboxes. There's no additional R&D costs incurred. Manual gearboxes are proven, bulletproof, the Punch VT3 is not. In fact, Proton is the FIRST car manufacturer to use the VT3, Proton is being a lab rat. As for replacing the object with Preve. Frankly speaking, I don't know the answer. But educated guesses would be + For the love of God get the design right, like a Hyundai K3, New Mazda 3. As above, use Lotus designers. + Seriously, BUILT QUALITY is severely lacking, button popping off? Really? + Pricing. Proton cars are not competitive in price at all. To give you an idea, Hyundai and Kia first priced their cars cheap to enter the market, then now their selling price is on par with Toyota and Honda. In USA for example, during the last 10-20 years, Hyundai first fought with low pricing, 10 year warranty, but they had subpar design, engine and transmissions. Today, Hyundai is sometimes priced higher than Toyota & Honda, they have very good designs, and they have engines that share underpinnings with Mitsubishi. Proton's mentality now is wrong, cause they compare themselves against Toyota and Honda. Don't "compare" yourself against them, cause that benchmark is too low. Aim against Mercedes and BMW. And make cars that rival Mercedes and BMW..then maybe you can win the fight against T&H If your son study and aim to pass with 50%, the best he can do is maybe 60%. But if he targets 100%, the best he can do is 100%. By doing the Satria Neo Turbo, you'll capture a market that has no competitor in Malaysia, and also in many countries. But that CFE engine needs to push more horses... 200bhp and you're golden. Bank on something you are good at, Proton (with Lotus) is good at handling, so make a seriously HOT hatch. Build something that beats the 208 GTi, Clio RS, Fiesta ST and Polo GTi. Seriously with Lotus and the expertise from the Super 2000, from Cusco.. if they cannot beat them, go bury themselves. Nissan (with Lotus's help) can build a car to beat Porsche, why can't Proton with Lotus build a car that beats a Ford. LOL. Proton needs a trojan horse into the hearts of people, by perpetually making shit cars, it will, over time, change people's perception to shit. Just do something that people would be proud of, and onlookers will be in awe of. Seriously nobody gives a shit that your car parachuted to the North Pole and successfully started the engine. Cause nobody will drive that car in North Pole anyway, rather than doing stupid things like that, just build the Satria Neo Turbo, bring it to nurburgring and clock the fastest time against the Clio, 208, Fiesta ST, Polo GTi. Whack them at their own game, then undercut them by selling cheaper. Then, get Top Gear UK to review it, and you're golden. No bells, no whistles, no fancy flappy pedals, just a down to earth car that drives. Alternatively, transfer the ownership of Lotus Europa S to Proton, rebadge it to Proton, let Proton manufacture that, stick a Campro CFE engine inside and start doing business. If Caterham can stick around for so long with an obsolete Lotus 7, I think Proton can do the same. Good idea, maybe should change topic to How to Improve Proton.[COLOR="Silver"] [SIZE=1]---------- Post added at 04:33 PM ---------- 6 hour anti-bump limit - Previous post was at 04:28 PM ----------[/SIZE] [/COLOR] I feel Satria Neo is nicer than Suprima, just lacking headroom. Why you feel Suprima nicer? Pray tell. Satria Neo is dated already, it needs a facelift, like how BMW facelift their cars, or how Alfa 156 did their facelift in 2003, really OMG huge difference. [/QUOTE]
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