Gearbox manual 222 vs 312

[hex999]

What are the pro's and con's if im using if for the 6a12 engine? Need a.s.a.p replies :D
Since it's almost impossible to get a full set eterna v6 gearbox 312 now for below RM4.5K, I decided to go for the gearbox code 222 eterna v6. Can you guys explain to me what are the main differences in terms of speed, acceleration and reliability of this gearboxes?

 

[DanzEterna]

312 from eterna 2.0 - shorter gear ratio
222 from eterna 1.8 - longer gear ratio

if you're on v6n/a, 222 should be sufficient enuf.......
but v6 tt should go for 312.

 

[hex999]

Let's say i have a 312 and 222, which one should i go for? If im using a v6 NA engine?

 

[DanzEterna]

sorry wrong info earlier on...
if v6 n/a can go for 222,232 or 312, for v6tt should be 332. fly

in your case, 312 is better....but depends on the seller's price.

cos 232, 222 flywheel is 8.5" 312, 332 is 9"

 

[NeuroOne]

actually. 222 has taller ratio (longer), 312 is shorter.
from what i gather from borak2 with ppl who uses 222 and 312, mechanic and R3 rally mechanic, i gather that:
1. acceleration - 312 superb, 222 normal.
2. cruising @100kmh - 312 more than 3000rpm, 222 at around 2800rpm
3. FC - 312 better in town, 222 better in hiway.
4. price - 312 more about rm1k
5. 222 usually from 6A11 (1.8). 312 got 2 versions/different codes - one from 6A12 NA, 1 from 6A12 NA Mivec (even better).
and ppl call 222 as gearbox 'termenung' where it'll take a while to get u to top speed.

so based on that, if u have 222 or 312, it's your choice.
if u wanna save money and just get normal manual box, just get 222.

 

[DanzEterna]

actually. 222 has taller ratio (longer), 312 is shorter.
from what i gather from borak2 with ppl who uses 222 and 312, mechanic and R3 rally mechanic, i gather that:
1. acceleration - 312 superb, 222 normal.
2. cruising @100kmh - 312 more than 3000rpm, 222 at around 2800rpm
3. FC - 312 better in town, 222 better in hiway.
4. price - 312 more about rm1k
5. 222 usually from 6A11 (1.8). 312 got 2 versions/different codes - one from 6A12 NA, 1 from 6A12 NA Mivec (even better).
and ppl call 222 as gearbox 'termenung' where it'll take a while to get u to top speed.

so based on that, if u have 222 or 312, it's your choice.
if u wanna save money and just get normal manual box, just get 222.

haha yr right...my info terbalik hehe....gotta ammend it..

 

[NeuroOne]

actually. 222 has taller ratio (longer), 312 is shorter.
from what i gather from borak2 with ppl who uses 222 and 312, mechanic and R3 rally mechanic, i gather that:
1. acceleration - 312 superb, 222 normal.
2. cruising @100kmh - 312 more than 3000rpm, 222 at around 2800rpm
3. FC - 312 better in town, 222 better in hiway.
4. price - 312 more about rm1k
5. 222 usually from 6A11 (1.8). 312 got 2 versions/different codes - one from 6A12 NA, 1 from 6A12 NA Mivec (even better).
and ppl call 222 as gearbox 'termenung' where it'll take a while to get u to top speed.

so based on that, if u have 222 or 312, it's your choice.
if u wanna save money and just get normal manual box, just get 222.

oppss..
for no. (2), i meant cruising at 110kmh not 100kmh..

 

[hex999]

Thank you so much for the replies :D
Now im changing my mind and planning to go for 312 :D

 

[NeuroOne]

dont forget to update us...

 

[mymax]

and ppl call 222 as gearbox 'termenung' where it'll take a while to get u to top speed.

so based on that, if u have 222 or 312, it's your choice.
if u wanna save money and just get normal manual box, just get 222.

i love the tagline for 222 gb, hehehe..
but that's the fact, much longer time needed to reach the top speed..

oppss..
for no. (2), i meant cruising at 110kmh not 100kmh..

is it true? mine is 3k rpm @ 105km/h, and that's normal from what i've read..
but ppl say 312 rpm reading is lower, so which one is true?

 

[DanzEterna]

mine also 3k rpm @100kmh.....

 

[NeuroOne]

i love the tagline for 222 gb, hehehe..
but that's the fact, much longer time needed to reach the top speed..

is it true? mine is 3k rpm @ 105km/h, and that's normal from what i've read..
but ppl say 312 rpm reading is lower, so which one is true?

i actually never pay any attention to the rpm when trying frens car. just rembat saje.. hehe..
anyway, that's what Niezam and Din Petir told me about 222. longer ratio = lower rpm.
for example, Niezam's FC was very low when we were convoying for TDS2. only 1 takuk from full tank..
312 reading is higher = shorter ratio..

222 gb termenungggg.....

 

[mymax]

i actually never pay any attention to the rpm when trying frens car. just rembat saje.. hehe..
anyway, that's what Niezam and Din Petir told me about 222. longer ratio = lower rpm.
for example, Niezam's FC was very low when we were convoying for TDS2. only 1 takuk from full tank..
312 reading is higher = shorter ratio..

222 gb termenungggg.....

yup, suppose to be like that.. shorter ratio for better pick-up..
so, if the 312 rpm reading is higher than the current one then it's ok lor with my current gb..
i'm ok with termenung, as i'm not a kaki tekan.. better to set my autocruise @ 100km/h and feel the V6 sound.. kekeke

 

[NeuroOne]

manual box how to set autocruise?

 

[mymax]

manual box how to set autocruise?

ada ke? hehe.. no more autocruise for me, except the 'tombol' that still attached to the steering..

 

[hex999]

Ok guys, ive gotten the 312 gearbox from lan eterna for a good price(Full set+ original parts for err RM4.4K), so now my car is in the process for the gearbox transplant. I wanted to ask, what is the best exhaust modification thats needed to be done and also the price for it? I was told that to change my piping to a 2.3 inch direct flow with a 2.5 inch muffler, what do you guys think?


EDIT:
And you guys, your RPM at 3k on 100kmh in the 5th gear? well thats a bit high lol :D, but it still does save more petrol compared to the standard auto gearbox right?

 

[NeuroOne]

Ok guys, ive gotten the 312 gearbox from lan eterna for a good price(Full set+ original parts for err RM4.4K), so now my car is in the process for the gearbox transplant. I wanted to ask, what is the best exhaust modification thats needed to be done and also the price for it? I was told that to change my piping to a 2.3 inch direct flow with a 2.5 inch muffler, what do you guys think?


EDIT:
And you guys, your RPM at 3k on 100kmh in the 5th gear? well thats a bit high lol :D, but it still does save more petrol compared to the standard auto gearbox right?

ur car is in lan_eterna's workshop? i might drop by to have a look see.. hehe..
anyway, i think 2.3" piping without centre bullet with 2.3" inlet straight flow muffler is good enuff..
go find a nice muffler like Blitz nur spec and do the piping with lan_eterna also can...

 

[mymax]

Ok guys, ive gotten the 312 gearbox from lan eterna for a good price(Full set+ original parts for err RM4.4K), so now my car is in the process for the gearbox transplant. I wanted to ask, what is the best exhaust modification thats needed to be done and also the price for it? I was told that to change my piping to a 2.3 inch direct flow with a 2.5 inch muffler, what do you guys think?


EDIT:
And you guys, your RPM at 3k on 100kmh in the 5th gear? well thats a bit high lol :D, but it still does save more petrol compared to the standard auto gearbox right?

good.. is it the gb that i answer u via pm couple of weeks ago?
whatever it is, u've made a right move man.. congrats!

ur car is in lan_eterna's workshop? i might drop by to have a look see.. hehe..
anyway, i think 2.3" piping without centre bullet with 2.3" inlet straight flow muffler is good enuff..
go find a nice muffler like Blitz nur spec and do the piping with lan_eterna also can...

or u can let me know if u are interested with 2.5" apexi N1 or dunk megaphone..
btw, don't forget to let me know when u wanna go to AG.. nak tumpang kete hensem!

 

[hex999]

No bro, i just bought it with lan, but fix at my mech, cause he owes me :D
Lans is a very, very nice guy. I really respect him, he aims for loyal customers , where else some other mechanics would aim for a one time cash "rip off"

and about the 2.3 piping+mufler, how much would it roughly cost to get it done? well back than when my car was auto, the old piping had a leak so i replace the back portion of it with a new one, i wonder would they accept 2ndhand pipes which are a kinda new as a small discount :D

 

[mymax]

yes.. he is a nice friendly person.. even for the 1st time u meet him..

regarding the exhaust, the price is vary.. depend on the shop, material etc..
if u need one with cheaper price, just take mine lor.. 2.3" piping (ikut longkang)
with s/steel centre bullets and 2.5" ori Apex'i N1 muffler.. still in very good cond..
plan to change to s/steel piping and new muffler.. so just let me know if interested..