Buying 2nd Hand Cars Experiences. Share at will.

[EvolutionZ]

Usually u can demand refund minus 10%. That's common if the dealer has done their job.

 

[TOMEI-R]

Glad to have you here bro, at least we get some details from used car dealers.
Yes, you are right that there are rotten apples for sure and of course there are
good ones which is why I manage to get my 2nd hand car too.

I truly understand the reason why dealers prefer not to let customers test drive.
1st like mentioned, car is no longer insured and roadtax is not valid. Secondly,
some just test for fun. Thirdly, some after test, didn't make the purchase.

But seriously, if the 2nd hand cars are cars like Subaru, Evo, Audi, Aston Martin
and other luxury car then I understand the reason of just test drive for fun.
Therefore, I was only wanting to test drive a Myvi to confirm its condition. Yet,
they did mentioned if test drive, just test drive around the lot compound. So,
expired road tax and insurance not valid is not really an issue at that time and area.

But then again, like mentioned due to company policies, only serious buyers with the
agreed price are allow to test drive. This I'm okay with, but then most of them required us to
pay upfront a deposit of RM500 to test drive a car. Anything that is not right with the car
will be repaired/replaced. But due to many rotten apples out there, how are we suppose to take
their words for it? And after test drive, the deposit is surely burn if the car is not right.

I believe as used car dealers, if they were to buy a car or to accept a trade in, they themselves
have to test drive as well. If the car has problems, that's where the negotiations starts.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

Is the same as us buyers on the reason why we want to test drive the car.
Cuz we are not at the wet market where we can judge vegetables freshness
and condition by looking and smelling it. We need to test drive the car, to make
sure it is okay, that's where we decide whether to purchase the car or not and also
negotiate further.

If not, is just difficult to make the decisions for us buyers. Seriously, if i really have nothing
to do, I rather not waste time on a Myvi.

Still is hard to say which buyers are actually there to test drive for fun or really looking
around. I choose to believe all walk-in customers are potential customers.

Is just like customers walking into a LV shop and end up not buying anything.
I almost bought the 2nd car from the same Dealer when hunting for the Myvi,
due to his honesty and service.

Did nego on the price, after nego, he didnt ask if the price is confirm or anything
when we ask for a test drive. He answered "Sure, just test drive, after test drive
if everything okay and satisfied or anything not satisfied we discuss further."

That's how he manage to close the deal after inspecting the car and test drive.
Everything was fine except the Engine Mounting which he mentioned before we
test drive that he will replaced it.

Anyway, just stating my POV on this. Apologise if anyone felt offended.



Yup 1st time he did come with me for the test drive. 2nd round he allow us to go on our own.
Then, when I came back to look for a myvi for a friend, he was not there but his partner was
there. So, also gave us the key to test drive ourselves.

Yes, lots of car theft and etcs, but then maybe my looks are the type that can be trusted
Not sure why he trust us but then, I'm always very relax and happy when I hunt for cars at his place. Unlike other place where I feel very uneasy with the salesman...



Guess, since agreement was made and u paid for the booking, in this case seriously
cant get refund, unless it is the deposit placed for test drive. That one confirm cant get back too..

Let me clarify on this.. We dont make our customers pay us a deposit first before test driving the car. Rather we try to confirm every details like agreed selling price, downpayment, loan amount and of coz the model and colour of the car with the customer first. If he/she has agreed to the above said terms then if he/she asks for a test drive, we allow it WITHOUT collecting the booking/ deposit with the condition that if there is nothing wrong with the car then he/she should pay the booking. If lets say he/she cannot confirm on the same day, we advice the customer to bring their mechanic to inspect the car first before confirming. Though said this, some customers do test drive but never pay the said booking fees.

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

Let me clarify on this.. We dont make our customers pay us a deposit first before test driving the car. Rather we try to confirm every details like agreed selling price, downpayment, loan amount and of coz the model and colour of the car with the customer first. If he/she has agreed to the above said terms then if he/she asks for a test drive, we allow it WITHOUT collecting the booking/ deposit with the condition that if there is nothing wrong with the car then he/she should pay the booking. If lets say he/she cannot confirm on the same day, we advice the customer to bring their mechanic to inspect the car first before confirming. Though said this, some customers do test drive but never pay the said booking fees.

Yup, that's more like it. At least now we got another used car dealer to go to if we want a 2nd
hand car

 

[Izso]

A friend won't let a friend buy a car that was in an accident?
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Not worth the savings IMO. Then again, depends on how severe it is. If its just the crash beam and radiator, no under carriage damage, ok la.

Yeah I've seen this vid. I do know the basics of checking for accident hints and I did do that. I mentioned some undercarriage scratches right? I actually brought my 3-tonne jack with me to look under the car.

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

Yeah I've seen this vid. I do know the basics of checking for accident hints and I did do that. I mentioned some undercarriage scratches right? I actually brought my 3-tonne jack with me to look under the car.

Hey that's a good idea bro! Really SMART! Cuz I was thinking how to check undercarriage if got a car which have bodykits and lowered?

 

[Izso]

Hey that's a good idea bro! Really SMART! Cuz I was thinking how to check undercarriage if got a car which have bodykits and lowered?

I had to ask the salesman for permission first to jack up the car, then I jacked it up based on the manual instructions in this case one of the points was the lower arm itself, so I did that.

For lowered cars with bodykits, if you have the permission you just need to get creative. With a brick and some planks of wood or some elevation point

 

[6UE5t]

Let me clarify on this.. We dont make our customers pay us a deposit first before test driving the car. Rather we try to confirm every details like agreed selling price, downpayment, loan amount and of coz the model and colour of the car with the customer first. If he/she has agreed to the above said terms then if he/she asks for a test drive, we allow it WITHOUT collecting the booking/ deposit with the condition that if there is nothing wrong with the car then he/she should pay the booking. If lets say he/she cannot confirm on the same day, we advice the customer to bring their mechanic to inspect the car first before confirming. Though said this, some customers do test drive but never pay the said booking fees.

Hmm when I bought my Mark X, I test driven probably close to 10 cars from various dealers before I finally decided on one, and none of those dealers/salesmen ask for any confirmation first, even agreement on the car price etc2 before they let me test drove the cars. They all seemed quite friendly, easy to deal with, none were pushy. Maximum they only called me to follow up once afterwards to ask whether I was still interested or not. Of course I was a genuine serious prospective buyer and most likely my intention was genuinely apparent, hence I got no problems testing so many cars.

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

I had to ask the salesman for permission first to jack up the car, then I jacked it up based on the manual instructions in this case one of the points was the lower arm itself, so I did that.

For lowered cars with bodykits, if you have the permission you just need to get creative. With a brick and some planks of wood or some elevation point

Ya have to know the points to jack up the car...forgot about that

Hmm when I bought my Mark X, I test driven probably close to 10 cars from various dealers before I finally decided on one, and none of those dealers/salesmen ask for any confirmation first, even agreement on the car price etc2 before they let me test drove the cars. They all seemed quite friendly, easy to deal with, none were pushy. Maximum they only called me to follow up once afterwards to ask whether I was still interested or not. Of course I was a genuine serious prospective buyer and most likely my intention was genuinely apparent, hence I got no problems testing so many cars.

The best of both worlds...a win win situation is what both sides want. :top:

 

[TOMEI-R]

Hmm when I bought my Mark X, I test driven probably close to 10 cars from various dealers before I finally decided on one, and none of those dealers/salesmen ask for any confirmation first, even agreement on the car price etc2 before they let me test drove the cars. They all seemed quite friendly, easy to deal with, none were pushy. Maximum they only called me to follow up once afterwards to ask whether I was still interested or not. Of course I was a genuine serious prospective buyer and most likely my intention was genuinely apparent, hence I got no problems testing so many cars.

Those are re-cond car dealers. We are Used Car dealers. Procedures are different.:wavey:

 

[6UE5t]

Those are re-cond car dealers. We are Used Car dealers. Procedures are different.:wavey:

Why have to be different? Recond cars are also used cars, just direct from overseas and not yet used here, right? Actually FYI I also did test drive some used Mark X & some other cars too from used car dealers, not just recon ones.

 

[TOMEI-R]

Why have to be different? Recond cars are also used cars, just direct from overseas and not yet used here, right? Actually FYI I also did test drive some used Mark X & some other cars too from used car dealers, not just recon ones.

Then why do you have to test drive so many units of Mark X before you buy? Those are all Mark X made by the same Toyota Motor Company aren't they? Different companies have different procedures.

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

Test drive a few to see which are at a better condition. If you say is a new car then, testing it will be the same. But then to some extend, some did test drive the same car at showrooms, and end up different in terms of performance. Buying a new car and buying a 2nd hand car is different.

Testing a few used car is norm, end of the day, will pick the best out of those tested.
I guess that is why a few used Mark X was tested by him.

We do not know the history of the car, how well the car was maintained by previous owner or any other things hidden. Can't just judge by looking at the exterior condition of a 2nd hand car.

 

[6UE5t]

Then why do you have to test drive so many units of Mark X before you buy? Those are all Mark X made by the same Toyota Motor Company aren't they? Different companies have different procedures.

Used cars are not the same even though they're made by the same company, I think everyone knows that. They're used cars so anything can go wrong regardless of what the sellers claim! One example is that I found this car has very weak brakes, hence practically all the cars I've tested were not confidence inspiring in terms of hard braking. The car I finally chose shall I say was one of the best of the worse (there were 1 or 2 other also similar but rest were even worse). Then some other made some noises from the suspension. Another one got a bit more jerky transmission/not as silky smooth. So you get the point, right?

More over there are many choices & variants available in the market for Mark X so of course have to test many to find out which one will be the best choice. By testing them I can judge if the opening price is worth it and if the car is in good condition (I drove them quite hard btw). Of course if the car I was looking for was very rare then surely cannot test many lah, that's just simple logic.

I've been buying and owning used cars for more than 20yrs and I've enough experience NOT to trust sellers too much and trust more of my own judgement. And this is how I normally buy used cars which is to test drive them until I got the one I'm most confident within my budget. The car I've finally chosen was the best condition I think I can get with the price on offer and just the right features available without going overboard with stuff I don't need.

 

[csl]

So far, I never face any problem for test drive. What I did was hold the HSBC check book on my hand

Car and human are the same, both are as good as their last resume. You can opt for bringing a specialized mechanic to check the car before you dig your wallet, or keep the downpayment until the car send to a specialized workshop to check and have green light from mechanic (on your cost of cause). There is no such thing as NO for a businessman. You just need to show the money and open your mouth. As long as it is not ridiculous, normally ok. Mileage, lady driver, and etc all are busted myth since last 2 decades. If don't do 18KS, how a loktor can determine how much Hep B antigen you are having? Or, women with big and round bump must be easier to get pregnant (aka Ho Sang Yeung)? A car condition only can be told after checking and diagnostic. Now businessmen even open a specialized workshop and give you a warranty on the used car which par to a new car.

But to be fair to everyone, there are too many people request test drive and after test go else where to test drive just for the sake of spending the free time. I also did that but my friend's father own the shop la

 

[TOMEI-R]

So far, I never face any problem for test drive. What I did was hold the HSBC check book on my hand

Car and human are the same, both are as good as their last resume. You can opt for bringing a specialized mechanic to check the car before you dig your wallet, or keep the downpayment until the car send to a specialized workshop to check and have green light from mechanic (on your cost of cause). There is no such thing as NO for a businessman. You just need to show the money and open your mouth. As long as it is not ridiculous, normally ok. Mileage, lady driver, and etc all are busted myth since last 2 decades. If don't do 18KS, how a loktor can determine how much Hep B antigen you are having? Or, women with big and round bump must be easier to get pregnant (aka Ho Sang Yeung)? A car condition only can be told after checking and diagnostic. Now businessmen even open a specialized workshop and give you a warranty on the used car which par to a new car.

But to be fair to everyone, there are too many people request test drive and after test go else where to test drive just for the sake of spending the free time. I also did that but my friend's father own the shop la

Couldn't agree more to that....

 

[john_unai]

so far, i never face any problem. experienced buying 2nd hand car 2 times, both also from mudah.my. they never ask for deposit b4 test drive or whatsoever. d first car i buy, the salesman even inform me that the throttle body already rosak and replace it before i buy. when i call him to test drive, he come to my doorstep with the car for me to test drive. i said i hv no transport to go his place to test drive d car

the second car also good. after test drive i want to buy d car but the deposit a quite high. i said to the salesman that i dun have enuf cash for deposit. he said nvm, i spare d car for you and next month after gaji you come again get it. then the next month i call him the car still there waiting for me.

maybe just my luck

 

[DanzEterna]

wat car was it?

 

[john_unai]

wat car was it?

satria only :rolleyes:

 

[Supra_Fanatics]

Satria is good,the car looks old?

Depends on how well you maintain a car bro. A well maintained car like VW Beetle the 1st Batch, it can look real good and even nicer than modern new cars.

Anyway Satria, got few versions. Satria GTi is one of the best ever made claimed by many. But
also thief magnet

 

[ColdPlay]

Finding a good used car dealer is always a headache. Accompany my friends a few time for a hunt. Out of 9 dealer we went to, only 2 happily allowed for a test drive. One in Taman Maluri near Jaya Jusco which is Anfas Auto (not sure if still around) and another one was TKT Enterprise in Desa Tun Razak next to MRR2 (most recent, just sharing and not promoting).
The rest are giving the same excuses : "If I let you test drive and anything happened, how? will you bear the repair cost?"
Me, " Can you guarantee that you car is has no major problem?"
Dealers, " Of course lah! I had been in the business for many years."
Me, " OK, thank you. and walk away.
Test drive before deciding is fundamental as there is no way to check the gearbox and arms condition during idle.

Bringing someone which has a good knowledge on cars is important during a hunt. This will avoid being conned or end up buying a problematic car.
Of course, used car tend to have a little problem here and there. It's just a matter of finding one which has minimal problem or does not cost a bomb to repair.