Pros and cons of engine braking?

[RENESIS VIII]

Btw what car actually do you drive? If the pedal position is not nice where the distance between brake & gas is too far apart, and/or the height or level of the the 2 pedals is also too different, then it's a lot more difficult to do it smoothly, for example Toyota Avanza. You may want to try some pedal kit accessories which widen up the pedals and hence can make them closer to each other. Some pedal kits have adjustable extension on the bottom right of the brake and the bottom left of the gas pedal (if not mistaken like Razo brand) hence makes the distance so much closer and easier to heel & toe.

Proton Wira 1.5 4G15.

Here's a picture of the pedal. Sorry that it is slightly blur as I got the wrong camera focus.

Bro. Renesis have our famous Wila loh......

 

[6UE5t]

Yup, like I suspected, they're quite far apart to start practicing especially if your feet also not big. Better buy some pedal extension kit like below, those should help a lot.

https://www.google.co.id/search?q=r...KHdv2ALIQ_AUIBigB&dpr=1#imgrc=YnuOoOhUIKklJM:

https://www.google.co.id/search?q=r...KHdv2ALIQ_AUIBigB&dpr=1#imgrc=lTAsYw2NXe_oMM:

Another thing is better wear shoes.

 

[lsm1991]

Yup, like I suspected, they're quite far apart to start practicing especially if your feet also not big. Better buy some pedal extension kit like below, those should help a lot.

https://www.google.co.id/search?q=r...KHdv2ALIQ_AUIBigB&dpr=1#imgrc=YnuOoOhUIKklJM:

https://www.google.co.id/search?q=r...KHdv2ALIQ_AUIBigB&dpr=1#imgrc=lTAsYw2NXe_oMM:

Another thing is better wear shoes.

these things do help.....
if u do wana buy a pair and you always drive barefoot.... i have a tip, make sure its not metal... your feet will get burnt every time you park under the sun... not fun...

 

[RENESIS VIII]

Yup, like I suspected, they're quite far apart to start practicing especially if your feet also not big. Better buy some pedal extension kit like below, those should help a lot.

https://www.google.co.id/search?q=r...KHdv2ALIQ_AUIBigB&dpr=1#imgrc=YnuOoOhUIKklJM:

https://www.google.co.id/search?q=r...KHdv2ALIQ_AUIBigB&dpr=1#imgrc=lTAsYw2NXe_oMM:

Another thing is better wear shoes.

these things do help.....
if u do wana buy a pair and you always drive barefoot.... i have a tip, make sure its not metal... your feet will get burnt every time you park under the sun... not fun...

I don't drive barefoot. Never tried that. Normally I wear sandals or normal Nike shoes.

These pedals are needed to make it easier to perform heel toe technique right? Is it really needed for rev matching (without braking)?

 

[lsm1991]

I don't drive barefoot. Never tried that. Normally I wear sandals or normal Nike shoes.

These pedals are needed to make it easier to perform heel toe technique right? Is it really needed for rev matching (without braking)?

haha i guess it does help to a certain degree. If your legs are 'dexterous' i guess anything would do. Stock pedals usually rubbery, i find its not so easy to slide around. With these, the 'tapak' is bigger, easier to reach the pedals and the material makes it easier to slide about. long as the heights are about the same, i guess it does help.

 

[vr2turbo]

I need my pedals further apart as my feet too big......hhahahhahah

 

[y2188]

I need my pedals further apart as my feet too big......hhahahhahah

taikor born to heel toe

 

[Izso]

I need my pedals further apart as my feet too big......hhahahhahah

SAME! OMG... but your feet bigger la confirm.

I never had issues with heeling on my wira. Biggest issue was the timing. i never got it right before selling off the car.

 

[Tom]

Yup, like I suspected, they're quite far apart to start practicing especially if your feet also not big. Better buy some pedal extension kit like below, those should help a lot.

Another thing is better wear shoes.

I don't drive barefoot. Never tried that. Normally I wear sandals or normal Nike shoes.

These pedals are needed to make it easier to perform heel toe technique right? Is it really needed for rev matching (without braking)?

Pedal covers might just help. It is true some cars come with shitty foot pedals
the covers might just add some weight to the pedals to ease response
but in any case, without is just as fine, after all it's mostly in the pedal timing

 

[6UE5t]

I don't drive barefoot. Never tried that. Normally I wear sandals or normal Nike shoes.

These pedals are needed to make it easier to perform heel toe technique right? Is it really needed for rev matching (without braking)?

Better not wear sandals when practicing heel & toe coz it may slip or get caught with the pedals.
Yes those pedal makes it easier to practice heel & toe. If just pure rev matching without braking then no need but the target end result is to be able to do heel & toe so you can brake and rev match at the same time while slowing down.

 

[6UE5t]

I need my pedals further apart as my feet too big......hhahahhahah

Pedal covers might just help. It is true some cars come with shitty foot pedals
the covers might just add some weight to the pedals to ease response
but in any case, without is just as fine, after all it's mostly in the pedal timing

For me, my foot is a bit skinny & smallish, so those pedal kits help quite a bit for heel & toe.

 

[RENESIS VIII]

Pedal covers might just help. It is true some cars come with shitty foot pedals
the covers might just add some weight to the pedals to ease response
but in any case, without is just as fine, after all it's mostly in the pedal timing

I need to master rev matching first before starting on heel toe which is even more difficult as I need to brake and rev with the same foot.

Better not wear sandals when practicing heel & toe coz it may slip or get caught with the pedals.
Yes those pedal makes it easier to practice heel & toe. If just pure rev matching without braking then no need but the target end result is to be able to do heel & toe so you can brake and rev match at the same time while slowing down.

My kind of sandals are not those that will slip. It looks something like this.

 

[Izso]

that's not the problem Renesis. Getting your pedal stuck in the gaps while you move your foot around is the risky part

 

[Tom]

Yes guys, it is only right to drive with shoes and not sandals.
Especially when exploring the finer side of driving, one should always wear shoes

And thin soles allows better feel of the pedals and are best, thick sole Running shoes not recommended.
you need the least movement and only shoes provide that. Not to mention sandals can get hooked to the pedals like Izso said.

Shoes like these are best:

 

[6UE5t]

I need to master rev matching first before starting on heel toe which is even more difficult as I need to brake and rev with the same foot.



My kind of sandals are not those that will slip. It looks something like this.

If I were you, I'd just go straight to practicing heel & toe. Because even though there's the same rev matching aspect but the way to do is slightly different. When you just do rev matching you'd jab the gas with the whole upper part of your foot, while in heel & toe you need to blip using the side foot towards the heel part. If you just practice rev matching first and gotten used to jabbing the gas with the whole upper part of the foot, then later once you want to try heel & toe you might not get used to jabbing it with the side foot and hence need to practice again.

With those sandals, there's still some risk of the pedal edges/corners got stuck within those holes especially when you try to jab the gas during heel & toe. Shoes still better and safer. Maybe once you've become good at it, then you can wear what ever you like.

 

[6UE5t]

Yes guys, it is only right to drive with shoes and not sandals.
Especially when exploring the finer side of driving, one should always wear shoes

And thin soles allows better feel of the pedals and are best, thick sole Running shoes not recommended.
you need the least movement and only shoes provide that. Not to mention sandals can get hooked to the pedals like Izso said.

Shoes like these are best:

Yup, shoes with thin rubber soles are the best, and not those with the squarish heel step up like formal dress shoes unless you're like Ayrton Senna!

 

[Tom]

If I were you, I'd just go straight to practicing heel & toe. Because even though there's the same rev matching aspect but the way to do is slightly different. When you just do rev matching you'd jab the gas with the whole upper part of your foot, while in heel & toe you need to blip using the side foot towards the heel part. If you just practice rev matching first and gotten used to jabbing the gas with the whole upper part of the foot, then later once you want to try heel & toe you might not get used to jabbing it with the side foot and hence need to practice again.

agreed.

although for some people they find it easier from learning rev matching without the heel toe step

 

[lsm1991]

Yes guys, it is only right to drive with shoes and not sandals.
Especially when exploring the finer side of driving, one should always wear shoes

And thin soles allows better feel of the pedals and are best, thick sole Running shoes not recommended.
you need the least movement and only shoes provide that. Not to mention sandals can get hooked to the pedals like Izso said.

Shoes like these are best:

kaki ayam kenot meh T_T

slippers keep getting caught, shoes tend to pull the whole mat forward causing other problems

 

[vr2turbo]

SAME! OMG... but your feet bigger la confirm.

I never had issues with heeling on my wira. Biggest issue was the timing. i never got it right before selling off the car.

I drove older 3 series manual before and I step on clutch and brakes at the same time......lol

 

[vr2turbo]

kaki ayam kenot meh T_T

slippers keep getting caught, shoes tend to pull the whole mat forward causing other problems

Used those mat with stubs at the bottom....