Pros and cons of engine braking?

Ipoh touge master in the making. Can take Kampar to ipoh trunk road...:biggrin:

Still a long journey to go before reaching touge master level. But I've been driving to Kampar weekly using trunk road from Ipoh > Batu Gajah > Tanjung Tualang > Kampar. Not using the main Ipoh > KL trunk road.
 
Still a long journey to go before reaching touge master level. But I've been driving to Kampar weekly using trunk road from Ipoh > Batu Gajah > Tanjung Tualang > Kampar. Not using the main Ipoh > KL trunk road.

I tried those route a few times already. Not too bad, less traffic but the road are narrower only.....:driver:
 
I tried those route a few times already. Not too bad, less traffic but the road are narrower only.....:driver:

Maybe I'm used to driving there for 3 years already. Din't feel narrow although many said so. Occasionally overtaking other cars but not too reckless. Traffic is less except for some large lorries carrying sand.
 
But many straights also for overtaking......

Exactly. Especially the long straight before entering tg tualang. The place with oil palm plantation on both sides of the road. In fact, a few Malaysian automotive websites actually went to that road for the new Volkswagen Vento road trip test. I saw the pictures taken on those roads and they went to the Tin Mining Dredge nearby too.
 
KL and PJ now so congested, traffic jams all over. You have those lovely routes......:driver:
 
KL and PJ now so congested, traffic jams all over. You have those lovely routes......:driver:

That is one reason why I wish to stay in Ipoh after graduating next time. Might be a bit difficult to get a high paying job to get the car that I want. But once got the car, really can enjoy it more in Ipoh than at KL. There is always enough space for the car to stretch its legs.

Been stuck in PJ SS2 once during heavy rain. It is ridiculous to wait so long crawling in traffic despite the destination is just less than 500 metres away.
 
That is one reason why I wish to stay in Ipoh after graduating next time. Might be a bit difficult to get a high paying job to get the car that I want. But once got the car, really can enjoy it more in Ipoh than at KL. There is always enough space for the car to stretch its legs.

Been stuck in PJ SS2 once during heavy rain. It is ridiculous to wait so long crawling in traffic despite the destination is just less than 500 metres away.

Welcome to PJ......hhahahhahahhaha:rofl:
 
That is one reason why I wish to stay in Ipoh after graduating next time. Might be a bit difficult to get a high paying job to get the car that I want. But once got the car, really can enjoy it more in Ipoh than at KL. There is always enough space for the car to stretch its legs.

Been stuck in PJ SS2 once during heavy rain. It is ridiculous to wait so long crawling in traffic despite the destination is just less than 500 metres away.

Ah KL jam is still child's play la! Not even ranked in the top 10 of most traffic jam in the world. Come to Jakarta then you'll see real traffic jams, ranked no.1 in some study in 2013 or 2014!
 
Ah KL jam is still child's play la! Not even ranked in the top 10 of most traffic jam in the world. Come to Jakarta then you'll see real traffic jams, ranked no.1 in some study in 2013 or 2014!

So jam, you cabut to Malaysia.......hhahahhahahaha:biggrin:
 
Welcome to PJ......hhahahhahahhaha:rofl:

Only that one time the jam is bad. Otherwise, still fine.

come to penang also can....

Roads in Penang are too small in Georgetown area. Very difficult to loosen up traffic. By the way, you are living in island or mainland?

Ah KL jam is still child's play la! Not even ranked in the top 10 of most traffic jam in the world. Come to Jakarta then you'll see real traffic jams, ranked no.1 in some study in 2013 or 2014!

Looks like no place to practice heel toe in Jakarta. :biggrin: Your hometown is in Jakarta or you just happen to be there occasionally?

Your worse experience in traffic jam back in Jakarta is?
 
i live in mainland. More space, expressway to test :driver:
Driving in penang, no problem. See you dare or not during jammed/crossing road.
for instance, i give chance to one car slot in. It will follow by 2-3 cars in. Knn...
My fren stay in KL. He say KL driver very give face. True ?
 
i live in mainland. More space, expressway to test :driver:
Driving in penang, no problem. See you dare or not during jammed/crossing road.
for instance, i give chance to one car slot in. It will follow by 2-3 cars in. Knn...
My fren stay in KL. He say KL driver very give face. True ?

No wonder you got the chance to try out heel toe when you drive to work.

My friend who went to work and stay in Penang island recently, told me that the jams there as just as bad as KL. At first before he went, he said jams won't be as bad as KL. He was wrong...

Meanwhile, if you come to Ipoh, drivers are even worse. Mostly impatient. Anything they just honk at you even if you are late my like 1 seconds to go during green at traffic light. And it is like I am the first car while they are the 2nd one. Still, honk at you like nothing. Same thing with parking when you want to reverse park. They either come too close blocking your way or honk at you. Not everyone does that but I have met a lot.
 
Only that one time the jam is bad. Otherwise, still fine.

A few places in PJ will jam badly especially before and after work...:banghead:

Basically not Penang, Ipoh of PJ drivers, most drivers on the whole, cut queue, worst is no signals.....lol
 
A few places in PJ will jam badly especially before and after work...:banghead:

Basically not Penang, Ipoh of PJ drivers, most drivers on the whole, cut queue, worst is no signals.....lol

Not nice to drive anymore if live in those areas with frequent traffic jams...

Queue is rarely long in Ipoh, so I don't really see a lot of people cutting queue in Ipoh. No signal is common. But I have seen worse where people signal to left or right, then turn on the opposite way... Also met before those who turn on signal and I thought they want to turn into the junction. Luckily I did not exit that junction because the one who turn on the signal did not turn in but continue driving straight with signal on... :banghead:
 
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Looks like no place to practice heel toe in Jakarta. :biggrin: Your hometown is in Jakarta or you just happen to be there occasionally?

Your worse experience in traffic jam back in Jakarta is?

Still can practice but yeah not as often as here coz very often you will just crawl in 1st-2nd gear only. From when I started driving in the mid 80s up to the early 90s still not too bad. Starting the mid 90s to now, it gets worse and worse. It's worse than Bangkok, probably only cities like Mumbai and Manila can rival it. Worse experience? Phew too many to recall. For example just my regular trip between my house to my old office which was just 11km but on a normal day will take me 45-50mins 1 way. From my house to my parent's which is only 14km away, will easily take me 50-60mins. If got rain or some demonstration or accident, well easily 1.5hrs or more! Then when there was flooding, at 1 time took me like almost 3 hrs even when I went back after 8pm. My friend who tried to go back at 4pm ended up reaching home around 10-11pm, coz he had to stop and forcced to have snacks/dinner on the road side!

Jkt is my hometown, I was born there.
 
Still can practice but yeah not as often as here coz very often you will just crawl in 1st-2nd gear only. From when I started driving in the mid 80s up to the early 90s still not too bad. Starting the mid 90s to now, it gets worse and worse. It's worse than Bangkok, probably only cities like Mumbai and Manila can rival it. Worse experience? Phew too many to recall. For example just my regular trip between my house to my old office which was just 11km but on a normal day will take me 45-50mins 1 way. From my house to my parent's which is only 14km away, will easily take me 50-60mins. If got rain or some demonstration or accident, well easily 1.5hrs or more! Then when there was flooding, at 1 time took me like almost 3 hrs even when I went back after 8pm. My friend who tried to go back at 4pm ended up reaching home around 10-11pm, coz he had to stop and forcced to have snacks/dinner on the road side!

Jkt is my hometown, I was born there.

You came from a big city.

3 hours for less than 20km journey? Are you driving your manual Lancer back then? If you are, that is crazy...

How is the car culture over Indonesia? I don't think car price is cheap over there but traffic jam is so bad... Over population or too many people buying cars due to inefficient public transportation?
 
You came from a big city.

3 hours for less than 20km journey? Are you driving your manual Lancer back then? If you are, that is crazy...

How is the car culture over Indonesia? I don't think car price is cheap over there but traffic jam is so bad... Over population or too many people buying cars due to inefficient public transportation?

Yes, I only drove manual cars back then! I only started driving auto since 2011.

Indonesia especially big cities like Jkt have big car culture, a lot of people do mods and involved in clubs gathering. Car prices are also exorbitant like here, slightly cheaper for normal cars but a lot more expensive for high end cars. Traffic jams caused by both, over population (>12mill in Jkt alone) and very poor public transport (no LRT/MRT yet and bad buses) except taxi.
 

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