Pros and cons of engine braking?

[RENESIS VIII]

Yes, I only drove manual cars back then! I only started driving auto since 2011.

Indonesia especially big cities like Jkt have big car culture, a lot of people do mods and involved in clubs gathering. Car prices are also exorbitant like here, slightly cheaper for normal cars but a lot more expensive for high end cars. Traffic jams caused by both, over population (>12mill in Jkt alone) and very poor public transport (no LRT/MRT yet and bad buses) except taxi.

So, you had a long long history with manual cars. Must have took you some time to adjust to the 2 pedal driving and slower response of auto box. I've only driven auto once and I really can't get used to it.

Seems like there is a lot for the Indonesian government to work on to improve many things in the country. I've also heard that the gap between rich and poor is also very large. Your country had the advantage of human resource and manpower but perhaps they are not well utilized enough to bring more improvements to the country. If everything goes well, I'm sure Indonesia can have the growth potential to be like China. Education seems okay as I have seen Indonesians writing in proper formal English on the internet as opposed to many Malaysians writing completely broken English everywhere.

 

[6UE5t]

So, you had a long long history with manual cars. Must have took you some time to adjust to the 2 pedal driving and slower response of auto box. I've only driven auto once and I really can't get used to it.

Seems like there is a lot for the Indonesian government to work on to improve many things in the country. I've also heard that the gap between rich and poor is also very large. Your country had the advantage of human resource and manpower but perhaps they are not well utilized enough to bring more improvements to the country. If everything goes well, I'm sure Indonesia can have the growth potential to be like China. Education seems okay as I have seen Indonesians writing in proper formal English on the internet as opposed to many Malaysians writing completely broken English everywhere.

Hmm adjust to the driving was easy. I started driving auto for good when I bought my Livina in 2011. Before that just like adhoc here and there test drive my friend's car or drive a rental car for a very short term (maybe total 4 times only driving auto prior to 2011). Straight out of the Nissan showroom to pick up my car, I immediately applied left foot braking too, no issues. I just feel bored quickly with auto as the car is not 100% in my control.

Yeah, too many people to take care with corrupt government. Yes the gap is more than here.
English, well 10 yrs ago also not good but in the last 5 yrs or so seems a lot better.

 

[RENESIS VIII]

Hmm adjust to the driving was easy. I started driving auto for good when I bought my Livina in 2011. Before that just like adhoc here and there test drive my friend's car or drive a rental car for a very short term (maybe total 4 times only driving auto prior to 2011). Straight out of the Nissan showroom to pick up my car, I immediately applied left foot braking too, no issues. I just feel bored quickly with auto as the car is not 100% in my control.

Yeah, too many people to take care with corrupt government. Yes the gap is more than here.
English, well 10 yrs ago also not good but in the last 5 yrs or so seems a lot better.

I thought Livina is available in manual. You should have gone for that. Left foot braking is normally used by race car drivers isn't it? For cars without traditional manual transmission.

Looks like each countries in south east asia have problems of their own. Compared to many, Malaysia is actually doing quite well already although not that well recently. Your English is very good. You even adopted the Malaysian English style in your writing, hahahaha.

 

[6UE5t]

I thought Livina is available in manual. You should have gone for that. Left foot braking is normally used by race car drivers isn't it? For cars without traditional manual transmission.

Looks like each countries in south east asia have problems of their own. Compared to many, Malaysia is actually doing quite well already although not that well recently. Your English is very good. You even adopted the Malaysian English style in your writing, hahahaha.

Yes but the wife only wants auto as she's driving it now. Left foot braking is like playing go kart lor! And yeah race car drivers who don't have clutch pedals in their race cars (like F1) mostly do left foot braking.

Hahaha I'm already 9 yrs here, so of course will get influenced by the local style. Before that I went to uni in the US so already used to English speaking environment.

 

[RENESIS VIII]

Yes but the wife only wants auto as she's driving it now. Left foot braking is like playing go kart lor! And yeah race car drivers who don't have clutch pedals in their race cars (like F1) mostly do left foot braking.

Hahaha I'm already 9 yrs here, so of course will get influenced by the local style. Before that I went to uni in the US so already used to English speaking environment.

I heard even races like GT3 and similar categories applies left foot braking too.

You blend in with Malaysian culture well. In my university, there is a lecturer from Nigeria who knows how to speak Malay after staying in Malaysia for more than 10 years. Culture in Malaysia is easy to adapt to maybe.

You even stayed before at USA. Looks like you came from a very good and wealthy background back in your hometown.

 

[6UE5t]

I heard even races like GT3 and similar categories applies left foot braking too.

You blend in with Malaysian culture well. In my university, there is a lecturer from Nigeria who knows how to speak Malay after staying in Malaysia for more than 10 years. Culture in Malaysia is easy to adapt to maybe.

You even stayed before at USA. Looks like you came from a very good and wealthy background back in your hometown.

Just middle class la, not wealthy. Now my turn to provide some support for my parents on big expenses like medicals. If wealthy then I won't need to do that.

 

[RENESIS VIII]

Just middle class la, not wealthy. Now my turn to provide some support for my parents on big expenses like medicals. If wealthy then I won't need to do that.

I see. Well, at least you are doing considerably well compared to many of those who live in poverty in Indonesia. I hope your parents are healthy and well.


Back on topic on heel & toe, today I tried it again and I got better with it. No longer like last week where I can only do it successfully at a 20-30% rate. Today, most of my attempts are successful. I'm actually surprised how it became so easy. I din't really do anything for the past few days except that I have been driving Myvi manual for 3 days. I left my car at home because I suspect the gasket is leaking. Today I took it for a drive to visit my mechanic and that is when I am able to try out heel & toe. When driving the Myvi, I did try out once in a while to do heel & toe on it but it was way more difficult because the travel distance of the throttle pedal is very short. It is like 60% press on my Wira's throttle pedal = Myvi at full throttle. That is how short the pedal travelling distance felt like.

 

[6UE5t]

I see. Well, at least you are doing considerably well compared to many of those who live in poverty in Indonesia. I hope your parents are healthy and well.


Back on topic on heel & toe, today I tried it again and I got better with it. No longer like last week where I can only do it successfully at a 20-30% rate. Today, most of my attempts are successful. I'm actually surprised how it became so easy. I din't really do anything for the past few days except that I have been driving Myvi manual for 3 days. I left my car at home because I suspect the gasket is leaking. Today I took it for a drive to visit my mechanic and that is when I am able to try out heel & toe. When driving the Myvi, I did try out once in a while to do heel & toe on it but it was way more difficult because the travel distance of the throttle pedal is very short. It is like 60% press on my Wira's throttle pedal = Myvi at full throttle. That is how short the pedal travelling distance felt like.

Well they're doing ok, thx. Of course already very old people, so nothing is perfectly healthy anyway, you know.

Very good that you've made real progress. I thought if the Myvi gas pedal travel is much shorter (meaning the gas is more sensitive), then actually better/easier as you don't need to blip as much or move your feet as much to get a good blip.

 

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Well they're doing ok, thx. Of course already very old people, so nothing is perfectly healthy anyway, you know.

Very good that you've made real progress. I thought if the Myvi gas pedal travel is much shorter (meaning the gas is more sensitive), then actually better/easier as you don't need to blip as much or move your feet as much to get a good blip.

You're welcome. I live with my grandparents since young until now. They are in their 80s now. I get what you mean by nothing is perfectly healthy. Always need to be careful of their health also also when they are walking.

The thing is for Myvi, since the travel is shorter, the pedal is located much closer to the firewall than Wira. So, it is a bit harder for my heel to reach it since the difference in alignment is more than Wira. Plus, since the pedal travel is shorter, it is more sensitive to input. Meanwhile, the Saga Iswara I had at home had the longest travel distance for the throttle pedal. Perhaps it might be easier to do heel & toe in that car but I haven't tried it yet.

Another thing is, previously while learning rev matching during downshifts, I use the front part of my foot to blip the throttle. Today, I naturally reacted by blipping the throttle (without braking) with my heel. Probably because after a few attempts in heel toe, I started to change my way of blipping the throttle even without braking. Now, I hope soon, heel toe will become like a natural reaction of my feet like gear shifting instead of a conscious action.

 

[vr2turbo]

Already say Ipoh touge master in the making.......lol

 

[RENESIS VIII]

Already say Ipoh touge master in the making.......lol

Able to do heel & toe doesn't mean can drive according to the best line and obtain fast results, hahaha.

 

[vr2turbo]

Able to do heel & toe doesn't mean can drive according to the best line and obtain fast results, hahaha.

In the making mah!......lol

 

[RENESIS VIII]

In the making mah!......lol

Don't dare to hold up such title when I am still so young compared to all of you here... Probably the youngest active member now. Much much more to learn. Not even half the journey reached yet in automotive knowledge.

 

[vr2turbo]

Right age, start young, knowledge easier to adsorb. By the time you are older, knowledge gain will be tremendous.......

 

[RENESIS VIII]

Right age, start young, knowledge easier to adsorb. By the time you are older, knowledge gain will be tremendous.......

Also when young, got more time to learn and do research. Hopefully can reach the level of sifu Titanrev by the age of 30.

 

[sweelt]

Sifu level, they hands on more.
Thats why shoot bazooka instead m16. hahahaha...

 

[lsm1991]

whahaha... so cepat learn to heel toe dah!!

 

[RENESIS VIII]

Sifu level, they hands on more.
Thats why shoot bazooka instead m16. hahahaha...

Hands on always teaches you more things than reading or watching.

whahaha... so cepat learn to heel toe dah!!

Not fully learned yet. Movements still not as fluid as the one on Tom's video.

 

[vr2turbo]

Also when young, got more time to learn and do research. Hopefully can reach the level of sifu Titanrev by the age of 30.

Hello sifu TitanRev got automotive papers ok......lol

 

[RENESIS VIII]

Hello sifu TitanRev got automotive papers ok......lol

Aih, too bad. Unable to reach that level already.