Engine Conversation. Full halfcut ? Engine only ?

[SkYwAlKeR]

more power = higher fc

thats the basics of automotive engineering....

if u wanna upgrade in future can la... get 4g93 block with 4g92 mivec head.... of coz ecu all have to be remapped.... that time u should be running with standalone ecu lor....

MD is good option when it is running fine... but once broken, u can start crying... mivec MD spare parts vr vr vr hard to find.... and if u can find, its vr vr expensive... mostly need to be imported from japan...

 

[mag9556]

yup, i'll go for full mivec. Just wondering if later or sooner after transplant, i wanna upgrade some parts again .... then it'll be engine rojak ? @@
bcos i dun think so most of us gonna stick with everything ori till the end rite ...

y feel very sad if get MD le ? since very good fc hehe ....

Btw any mivec sure would increase much fc compare to my 4G13 rite ? cos higher cc = less fc

if u really plan for upgrading...
MD is not the choice for u..
yeap...M@tt u got it correct...but MD also 4piston open when on the road...
MD is a hybrid engine where u stop ur car for 5 - 10 minutes the 2 of the piston will mulfunction and whn a car running on 2 fire how is the vibration...hehe... i no need to explain la...

somemore MD have less power in MIVEC family as the cam degree is different then the RS version.... FC of coz its better thn normal car la but wht for u modified a non performance engine... later u will regret and this i can gurantee as my fren also regret using it coz even 4g93 NA can not chase even back light also can not near....

 

[m@ttz]

yup, i remember, it similar like civic hybrid rite?? less on road lor..

best choice for u is mivec, try to find RS wit LSD n u will satisfy on it.. upgrade story later lor.. btw any idea for mivec RS wit LSD? last time heard around 6.5k-7k, wtf..

 

[Norns]

get 4g93 block with 4g92 mivec head

In that case, do i need all mivec parts for fully compatibility ?? like wiring n bla bla

Cos earlier did mentioned that if 4G13 stock, and i just put in Mivec engine, of cos it wont work due to wiring n many more.
And i can get parts by parts which is un-mivec, but it'll consider ROJAK engine.

so, if i upgrade in that way, issit consider rojak ? @@

@mag9559
i think i'll just for for normal mivec ba. RS is it the top silver ? and lsd is a gearbox if im not mistaken

Anyway, the reason i say more powerful=better fc cos i heard powerful engine mean u press a bit petrol, got power adi, hence save mroe fuel lor.
that y some ppl say 1.3 bad fc compare to 1.5 ... how true is it ? @@

So sorry cos i still blur, but im learning from here n searching lol ...

 

[mokomoko]

if I tukar my 1.6 sohc to a 1.6 dohc mivec i would still run into problems with puspakom right?

 

[sentro]

as long as head change, must go puspakom.

Norns, if i not mistake, what u need is proper 1.6 wiring. ur 4G13 is 1.3, so 1.3 cannot mix with 1.6 mivec wiring. Basically u need is all 1.6 parts .

 

[mag9556]

In that case, do i need all mivec parts for fully compatibility ?? like wiring n bla bla

Cos earlier did mentioned that if 4G13 stock, and i just put in Mivec engine, of cos it wont work due to wiring n many more.
And i can get parts by parts which is un-mivec, but it'll consider ROJAK engine.

so, if i upgrade in that way, issit consider rojak ? @@

@mag9559
i think i'll just for for normal mivec ba. RS is it the top silver ? and lsd is a gearbox if im not mistaken

Anyway, the reason i say more powerful=better fc cos i heard powerful engine mean u press a bit petrol, got power adi, hence save mroe fuel lor.
that y some ppl say 1.3 bad fc compare to 1.5 ... how true is it ? @@

So sorry cos i still blur, but im learning from here n searching lol ...

Bro...
Mivec 1.8 is very common in here as there is a lot of zthians using it..
Yeap.. consider rojak..
normally they will use all mivec parts and use 93 block or the ezzyest way..
use 93 engine then mix up with mivec head, Gb and wiring with ecu..ok..

RS or non RS i can not confirm with u as u need to check with the person u buy with but they also might not be confirm to u thats the actual thing that u want as its 2nd hand...
Nowdayz japanese also knoe how to recycle car performance parts as I have saw a halfcut VR4T that claim that 200 bhp onli from Japan that using manual Gb but the meter showns Auto meter...somemore the head cover suppose to be red but change to silver (EIII) thus intake manifold also different (Mirage 4g61T)...

if u want better FC, better dun rojak as rojak is very danger.. once got some mistake on the setting...Fc will be very very high...even saw a fellow using GSR 4g93T put Mivec head...huh.. the FC sucks once both turbo and mivec open...Normal Fc will be at below 20 cents / km but once put in mivec...cry man... near to 40 cent / km...

Good Luck to u...

 

[Norns]

the term rojak is it just for stuff like engine block,engine head,wiring onli ?? other than that if we modify also not consider rojak rite ... ?

such as some ppl upgrade better pulley, camshaft, piston, throttle body, and so on ...

And juz need to confirm, does engine block=engine bottom, and engine head = engine top

so, engine block+engine head = the whole engine body

 

[mag9556]

if u need more thn that u can try to use mivec piston in ur 4g93 block u see...
but once wrongly done on the setting will ended the engine blown...
rojak can consider as different series mix up with different series of the engine..
like mine.. i am using 4g93 SOHC with 4g91 GB and head and 4g92 SOHC wiring thus 4g93T injector and 4g91 carb distributor with toyota FICD... so..consider as rojak or not if like this??? hehe...

 

[sentro]

someone offered me rm1000 for mivec ecu, and rm1100 for mivec wiring

i just check is it that expensive ?

 

[sentro]

who can help me bout mivec wiring ... ~~ i realy cant find the market price woh

need advise, why did ppl rojak engine in first place? im thinkin to do rojak also but dunno the outcome

 

[Wajafly]

mivec wiring around 1K... Wiring means engine harness only.... Should be rare item.

 

[Norns]

still a bit confuse bout rojak thingie ...

Btw, does engine lantai = engine kosong same ?

as i know, engine consist of 2 parts, top(engine head) and bottom (engine block), am i right ?

 

[m@ttz]

if u need more thn that u can try to use mivec piston in ur 4g93 block u see...
but once wrongly done on the setting will ended the engine blown...
rojak can consider as different series mix up with different series of the engine..
like mine.. i am using 4g93 SOHC with 4g91 GB and head and 4g92 SOHC wiring thus 4g93T injector and 4g91 carb distributor with toyota FICD... so..consider as rojak or not if like this??? hehe...

wahh.. rojak penang edi, hehe.. how bout ur intake n tb??

engine kosong = head n block onli
engine lantai = may include GB, wiring n ecu, easy say things inside engine bay onli, gud choice if u really know what n how to do wit it, but not recommended as ur car was 1.3..

once u change engine, let say mivec, u not onli need engine (complete wit wiring, ecu, GB), but need to change driveshaft, clutch pump++ (if u using carb now), fuel tank, disk brakes n many2 small parts..

like me was 1.5 carb b4, bought 4g92p (engine, wiring, ecu n GB), need to add another budget for clutch pump, paddle, driveshaft, alternator, a/c compressor, fuel tank n meter also, summore it was uk spec, need different a/c panel, but was very2 lucky get all wit super duper nice price, hehe..

easy way for u is get one halfcut n transplant.. btw mivec RS had LSD GB, black top head, RPM meter was 10K, a/c manual panel (not digital), anything i left?? but beware, like mag said, chop shop may change some parts at halfcut, one of my fren got RS wit RPM meter 9K n digital a/c panel, but dont mind as it was black top head n got LSD, hehe..

 

[Norns]

Thanks a lot bro mag9556 !!

Btw, if engine lantai mean everything inside engine bay ... should be sufficient enuf rite ? cos the driveshaft n clutch pump is inside engine bay also ma.

For fuel tank is it a must to change to mivec also ?

Actually my idea is to get loan about rm8k + my saving. since my loan is rm8k after ++ the bank interest sure >rm10k liao.

So i got new idea whether should i buy parts by parts. Start with the most important part, then upgrade month by month .
I wonder if the price would be about same or not if i take bank loan lol.

 

[huakenny]

better buy in one shot..cheaper price + complete..

buy one by one is headache....n labor expensive unless u can install urself.

wat i suggest is think bout the financial way 1st before take any decision....
dun one time spend most of the money in d car n left no more for ur living..

my2cent n happy modding

 

[m@ttz]

wanna use loan ehh?? better dont la, once car got prob, u got headache to repair it n pay back loan..

or maybe u can reduce ur budget to 4g91, still gud enuf wat for satria.. i think 4k should be enuf including register n etc, then can use the balance for other things..

 

[Wajafly]

easy way for u is get one halfcut n transplant.. btw mivec RS had LSD GB, black top head, RPM meter was 10K, a/c manual panel (not digital), anything i left?? but beware, like mag said, chop shop may change some parts at halfcut, one of my fren got RS wit RPM meter 9K n digital a/c panel, but dont mind as it was black top head n got LSD, hehe..

MIVEC RS has all like what you have mentioned. Plus the front brakes must be 2 pot calipers. Internally, it should have titanium valves, slightly bigger extractors and slightly higher cams with different ECU where the MIVEC kicks in at 6200/6500 and standard rev cut is at 9000. Remember to change your fuel pump or use the MIVEC original fuel tank because our standard fuel tank is not enough at 8000++RPM....

 

[Norns]

lolz ... i got some saving but thats for saving .. for car i better take personal loan n pay back slowly hehe.

btw, for my post above , if engine lantai consist of everything can i know is it sufficient ? mayb i add-on fuel tank ...

engine lantai is onli rm2000~rm30000 rite ? @@

 

[huakenny]

personal loan i guess the interests is kinda high if not mistaken.

but y need loan? so rush to transplany/upgrade?

its up to personal perference for sure, so wat we will say is think twice before mod..

cheers:_: