2006 China, Shanghai

[David_1211]

what i think is sato has no choice unless he moves away ealier...the fast pack closing pretty late at the hairpin...then few car coming together,Sato sanwhiched...I think barrichello bump heidfeld bcoz barrichello brake without grip...Poor german...

 

[David_1211]

Alonso had a wrong strategies...he change only his front tire which i think makes the car out of balance..so he done it slow...and MSC catched up...
MAybe the tire temperature raise slow for new tire..for those who kept current tire they have the grip they want when out of the pit...
Kubica are a very good driver...nice passing at shanghai...but he took a bet which he think may be an advantages while other team just wait for a white mice for experiment which are Kubica.. they saw result and decide its not good enough yet for slick...
Kubica perform drift(spun) at so many corner...one tire touches the wet area and out he went...HAhaha
any one notice the ending when Alonso throw the champaign and the pit crew fail to catch it properly?while Ferrari team member show them what is the right way to do it...hahaha...

 

[butthead]

FIA shall revoke Sato's superlicense. He only make himself into headline with accident or collision.

i believe 2006 WDC champion learn something new today, F1 is no longer a single hero sport. Fisi did help him in many way during yesterday race. Fisi control the traffic and block Kimi for challenging Alonso before Kimi went retired. And Fisi allow Alonso to take P2 at lap 47 and went disappear from the tv screen.

the fisi overtaking wasn't that noticable as fisi was actually a lot slower than alonso...although it could be faked... but he did let alonso pass without blocking at least the one block which he is eligible for..

Schumi could have chose to push Fisi all the way to near the end of the gp and pass fisi.. that way he could have a better chance of having fisi between him and alonso as alonso might not have enough laps to chase down both of them... but fisi did not have the speed to do so...

yeah, bad luck to Massa, but FIA shud take action against Coulthard for banging into Massa. such collision was simply silly for both, but Massa was in the race line - he shud get his way.

Kubica was trying his luck because tha race lines were drying up fast!. that's the risk any driver would have taken. alonso for example sticked to intermediates too long until his tyres worn out. he could have changed to new set of intermediates but after a few laps he wud not need that anymore because the circuit will demand slick tyres. so, wrong strategy alonso, that's why u lost the race.

it actually was no ones fault... personally... i think Massa tried to hard braking from high speed and slightly lost his front end grip... causing him to understeer wide and caught out DC... DC did no wrong by holding the line he was holding... there was still the possiblity that he could recapture his position at that point...so i think no one was to be blamed... DC also suffered some mechanical problems at the latter part of the race..

zan, if both driver finish in same point at the end of the season, number of win will decide the real winner. So what Schumi need is just 1 more win, and I think Sizuka is the best GP.

the problem is when Ferrari did that, all ppl will clasified that it's a SATAN act (including the non-sporting comment from Alonso), and when Ferrari rival did that, they just keep their mouth shut.

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i know BlackSamurai, i mentioned that already. as of now, scoreboard gives advantage to Schumi with one extra win in hands compare to Alonso.

but still, anything could happen. Schumi gets new rebuilt engine next weekend and Alonso have to stick to his engine for 2nd weekend; Renault team will cross their fingers not to want anything unwanted. unless the weather gets bad, anything could happen in the last 2 races.

as long as it does not rain.. it will look good for Schumi...

i suspect Ferrari was playing a bit of mind games with Renault... they might have not shown the true potential of their car in the dry... and at the end of the GP MSC would have of course opt to preserve his machinery while Alonso was still attacking hard... which explains why Alonso close the gap so quickly... Alonso would have more to worry about his engine for the next race... for pushing so hard the whole race...

Alonso had a wrong strategies...he change only his front tire which i think makes the car out of balance..so he done it slow...and MSC catched up...
MAybe the tire temperature raise slow for new tire..for those who kept current tire they have the grip they want when out of the pit...
Kubica are a very good driver...nice passing at shanghai...but he took a bet which he think may be an advantages while other team just wait for a white mice for experiment which are Kubica.. they saw result and decide its not good enough yet for slick...
Kubica perform drift(spun) at so many corner...one tire touches the wet area and out he went...HAhaha
any one notice the ending when Alonso throw the champaign and the pit crew fail to catch it properly?while Ferrari team member show them what is the right way to do it...hahaha...

Alonso had to swap the fronts as he knewed that his front was getting chewed off... he was left with no choice but to swap it... he then took 8 - 9 laps to wear the tyre down and that 8 - 9 laps alone caused him his lead... then the pit error cause him another 20+ secs which lost him the race...

Michaels move on Fisi was the best the whole race... he had a lot of nerves trying to overtake so far deep into the track... Fisi could have easily turned in and clipped some parts off his car...

The Ferrari crew reacted as though they had won the championship... wonder Flavio had any word with that particular engineer after failling to catch that bottle :shocked:

 

[David_1211]

i think probably Ferrari playing mind game
MSC don't have to worry bout engine next race?i mean he will use fresh engine next round?
Alonso?MSC has a diffrent driving style at Shanghai..any one notice that he shift up earlier b4 the engine rev to shifting point at corner exit?what you all think about this?to prevent tire skidding o try to run conservative?

 

[Daniel Lee]

i think probably Ferrari playing mind game
MSC don't have to worry bout engine next race?i mean he will use fresh engine next round?
Alonso?MSC has a diffrent driving style at Shanghai..any one notice that he shift up earlier b4 the engine rev to shifting point at corner exit?what you all think about this?to prevent tire skidding o try to run conservative?

I think Michael is trying to play safe as he don't want to had any problem or accident by pushing the car to the limit. Everything is on stake, can't really afford to gamble.

 

[BlackSamurai]

what i think is sato has no choice unless he moves away ealier...the fast pack closing pretty late at the hairpin...then few car coming together,Sato sanwhiched...I think barrichello bump heidfeld bcoz barrichello brake without grip...Poor german...

Sato should either
1. Give way earlier (before the hairpin, there is 1 long straight)
2. Move to his right instead of left or
3. stay where he was.

He occupied the normal racing line and caught the rest of the pack in surprise.

For us sitting in front of the tv, everything happen so fast, but as a driver with FIA superlicense riding on the track, Sato's reaction shall be fast.

 

[butthead]

Sato should either
1. Give way earlier (before the hairpin, there is 1 long straight)
2. Move to his right instead of left or
3. stay where he was.

He occupied the normal racing line and caught the rest of the pack in surprise.

For us sitting in front of the tv, everything happen so fast, but as a driver with FIA superlicense riding on the track, Sato's reaction shall be fast.

i think he had his mirrors full... no idea of where to go...

i think probably Ferrari playing mind game
MSC don't have to worry bout engine next race?i mean he will use fresh engine next round?
Alonso?MSC has a diffrent driving style at Shanghai..any one notice that he shift up earlier b4 the engine rev to shifting point at corner exit?what you all think about this?to prevent tire skidding o try to run conservative?

i'd say he is running conservatively...next race he will be using the same engine he is using this race... but he had to push less hard compared to Alonso who also needs to use the same engine for next race...

I think Michael is trying to play safe as he don't want to had any problem or accident by pushing the car to the limit. Everything is on stake, can't really afford to gamble.

yeah... he would not want to repeat the mistake they made in budapest... he was a bit to greedy trying to squeeze al points that time.. ahhaha

 

[David_1211]

YAh...trying to past but ended up with wrong line...costly mistake...he done it right this time...the point is priceless...no wonder MSC look very very happy..and the team too..

 

[BlackSamurai]

talking about manoeuver, did you guys remember the famous manoeuver done by Schumi, Mika and a back marker at SPA 2000?

Back-marker, Schumi and Mika met at straight line. Schumi move to the outer line plan to overtake the back-marker, at the same time, Mika move to the inner line (left), 3 car goes side-by-side at the end of the corner, Mika have a faster car, a right turn and overtook Schumi and the back-marker at the corner. A classic maneuver that I can recall.

check the video


[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHoZ2r2kbtU[/MEDIA]

I miss Mika :(

 

[butthead]

talking about manoeuver, did you guys remember the famous manoeuver done by Schumi, Mika and a back marker at SPA 2000?

Back-marker, Schumi and Mika met at straight line. Schumi move to the outer line plan to overtake the back-marker, at the same time, Mika move to the inner line (left), 3 car goes side-by-side at the end of the corner, Mika have a faster car, a right turn and overtook Schumi and the back-marker at the corner. A classic maneuver that I can recall.

check the video
[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fklYljCi0HM[/MEDIA]
I miss Mika :(

the back-marker have his mirror full (both), but nothing happen between the 3 cars. This is what we call, Professional.

i remembered it was only 2 cars going into the turn... they lined up after eau rouge with both MSC and Mika slipstreaming behind Jacques in the BAR... Mika got a better tow and knewed MSC would have hogged the racing line... he bet on taking the inside line and out braked MSC into the turn... fantastic move... was in the drying wet track somemore... Mika was originally on pole and spun out on one of the laps after putting a wheel on the curbs... Michael got closed down due to tyre problems on that race...

 

[David_1211]

no one will forgot that pass!!!!nice nice moves...so nice...MIka have alot of idea of how to pass and start...remember Suzuka where Mika on P2 MSC at P1 at the starting grid...MIka start with 2nd gear and have a nice pass at the start line...slight down hill

 

[si|verfish]

Mika! Yeah, I miss Mika too.

Mika is the king of launches IIRC. He's so good at getting off the line.

 

[Daniel Lee]

The move done by Mika was the best overtaking maneuver I'd seen in F1 till now.
It was really a classic move.

Mika, the cool and humble flying finn!

 

[BlackSamurai]

frankly, when I saw Schumi went in pit for 1st stop, first thing came into my mind, "Again?"

you guys shall have remember how slow Schumi is in last wet race (hungary if i'm not mistake, 3secs slower than the rest on the track) on the unchanged intermediate tyre set which he took to the finish line.

 

[Slipknot Fanatic]

I was surprised to see the performance of the Bridgestone intermediate tyres during the middle part of the race when the track started to dry up a little bit. Surprised because of how badly they did during qualifying. Hardly needed to go off line to the wet part of the track to cool the tyres down unlike the Michelin tyres. I'm wondering whether Ferrari were playing mind games during qualifying since Michael was the only Bridgestone runner in the top ten.

Alonso and Fisi the sore losers of the race. Both never did congratulate Michael at the end of the race. During the post race interview Alonso and Fisi looked like as though they did not want to talk at all. I think Michael knew once he had a big lead over Alonso it was time to cut the rev's down to save the engine for the next race.

 

[prodigy]

Oh man, no one else other than me gets more excited when talking about Mika's move on Michael 6 years back. I remember watching that race in my friends house and as Mika made that move, i literally jumped up and started shouting while others gave me the WTF look.

A slight correction. The lap prior to the move, Mika attempted a move on Schumi and he tried to overtake from the right while in the Kemmel Straights, before the corner of Les Combes(right hand corner). Schumi has some speed and pushed Mika 1 wheel into the grass. Mika waited for the next opportunity, followed him thru to Eau Rouge and off they go to Kemmel Straights again. This time Mika had more pace and more tow from Schumi's car. However, there was Ricardo Zonta(not Villeneuve) in a BAR backmarker. Schumi moved to the left on the track to overtake Zonta while Mika sensing an almost impossible overtaking move just jinked to the right also to overtake Zonta at the same time. Mika obviously had more speed and pace and managed to overtake Zonta and just somehow overtook Schumi at the same time. I suppose Mika braked a little later into the Les Combes corner and that helped alot in overtaking Schumi who was left stunned and couldn't stage a fightback.

It was one of the most stunning victory by Mika and quite right said, he started first and lost the position when he spun in a wet track. He expertly corrected the spin and managed to bring the car to control again but was already overtaken by Schumi. After the pitstops, Mika gained more momentum and started chipping away Schumi's lead, till the fateful lap where he made perhaps one of the most stunning overtaking move F1 ever seen.

 

[butthead]

Mika! Yeah, I miss Mika too.

Mika is the king of launches IIRC. He's so good at getting off the line.

yeah... remember few years back there was a clip showing his rear wheel during the starts... he will drop the clutch and the wheel will spin for a while with occasionally a puff of white smoke then the wheel will just get bolted on the ground and he speeds off...others would simply sit in their own cloud of tyre smoke... and do remember those were the times without launch control and traction control..

I was surprised to see the performance of the Bridgestone intermediate tyres during the middle part of the race when the track started to dry up a little bit. Surprised because of how badly they did during qualifying. Hardly needed to go off line to the wet part of the track to cool the tyres down unlike the Michelin tyres. I'm wondering whether Ferrari were playing mind games during qualifying since Michael was the only Bridgestone runner in the top ten.

Alonso and Fisi the sore losers of the race. Both never did congratulate Michael at the end of the race. During the post race interview Alonso and Fisi looked like as though they did not want to talk at all. I think Michael knew once he had a big lead over Alonso it was time to cut the rev's down to save the engine for the next race.

Alonso did shaked MSCs hands didn't he... but they did not look happy on the podium except for Michael jumping around like he usually does..

i find that the Bridgestones had a very fine limit to both their extreme wet and intermediates... their extreme wet did quite well in the deep waters... but when the rain stops it just sucked... their intermediate worked badly also on a track that just stopped raining...but improves on a drying track... i wonder if Bridgestone made the intermediates to wear down to an almost slick condition easily as normally intermediates are used on drying tracks...much like what Michellin did a few years back...i noticed that Michaels tyres were practically running like full slicks...

Oh man, no one else other than me gets more excited when talking about Mika's move on Michael 6 years back. I remember watching that race in my friends house and as Mika made that move, i literally jumped up and started shouting while others gave me the WTF look.

A slight correction. The lap prior to the move, Mika attempted a move on Schumi and he tried to overtake from the right while in the Kemmel Straights, before the corner of Les Combes(right hand corner). Schumi has some speed and pushed Mika 1 wheel into the grass. Mika waited for the next opportunity, followed him thru to Eau Rouge and off they go to Kemmel Straights again. This time Mika had more pace and more tow from Schumi's car. However, there was Ricardo Zonta(not Villeneuve) in a BAR backmarker. Schumi moved to the left on the track to overtake Zonta while Mika sensing an almost impossible overtaking move just jinked to the right also to overtake Zonta at the same time. Mika obviously had more speed and pace and managed to overtake Zonta and just somehow overtook Schumi at the same time. I suppose Mika braked a little later into the Les Combes corner and that helped alot in overtaking Schumi who was left stunned and couldn't stage a fightback.

It was one of the most stunning victory by Mika and quite right said, he started first and lost the position when he spun in a wet track. He expertly corrected the spin and managed to bring the car to control again but was already overtaken by Schumi. After the pitstops, Mika gained more momentum and started chipping away Schumi's lead, till the fateful lap where he made perhaps one of the most stunning overtaking move F1 ever seen.

was it zonta... can't remember... thought it was Jacques...hehheh...

8TV should hire you to be their presenter lar...hahahahah

 

[BlackSamurai]

for prodigy's photo memory as well.
gosh, 6 years, time fly, I'm old.

 

[David_1211]

launch control have not been used at that time...but about traction control...even the FIA at that time banned traction control...some team manage to use it..thats Y FIA reintroduced it to make it fair...i donno how they used traction control without being saman by FIA...but indeed some big team did use traction control at that time...anyway...launch control makes the starting less interesting..i remember that time when i watch F1...cloud smoking back role car...can see nothing...but now we can only see in the start of formation lap

 

[butthead]

for prodigy's photo memory as well.
gosh, 6 years, time fly, I'm old.

hahha... old people know cool stuff young people don't... so no reasons to be sad man...

launch control have not been used at that time...but about traction control...even the FIA at that time banned traction control...some team manage to use it..thats Y FIA reintroduced it to make it fair...i donno how they used traction control without being saman by FIA...but indeed some big team did use traction control at that time...anyway...launch control makes the starting less interesting..i remember that time when i watch F1...cloud smoking back role car...can see nothing...but now we can only see in the start of formation lap

actually ... there is benefits of having traction control... launch control i don't agree... traction control actually helps to let the drivers drive faster.. their TC is not the same we have on our daily cars... they could control the amount of wheel slip on the TC...

last time the teams do not have TC or any electronics that they hide in their control boxes... FIA suspected the drivers using the pit limiter as sort of a TC... then they added a function at the rear light so that when they engage the pit limiter the rear light would be blinking...