4g93 head on 4g92

that's 'making bigger hole' is port n polishing, where the intake port and exhaust port is bored to a bigger diameter and the surface of the port is polished. My 2 cents is that u do this to your exisiting 92P head.

I had an enthusiasm with having my 92P block married to the 93P head but then again... I had doubts and I had Joeker's theory (plus some other things - reliability issues) so I discard it...
 
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Kopi said:
I had an enthusiasm with having my 92P block married to the 93P head but then again... I had doubts and I had Joeker's theory (plus some other things - reliability issues) so I discard it...

the same goes with me..i also admire the look (the dohc head ) and power of 4g92 Dohc,but after some Q&A with some people,little survey,i think there some hassle and reliability issues regarding it..now just try to mod the original 4g92..i think the power is there..not to say better than Dohc,but sohc also have some advantage..and when the sohc can be even or better than the dohc,it priceless..
 
I used to own 4G92P and swapped with 4G91 head. Also I've done the 4G93P (SOHC Wira) with 4G91 DOHC head.

Others than the timing belt, you also need a new mounting block support. This is necessary. Head gasket unless u r using a metal gasket. Also you change your bearings too.
U definitely need a 4G91 distributor, you can use the carbie type. Cost about RM150 less.
Last time I did some polish (not porting) cost me RM150. This is extra job, not necessary,

The 4G91 head has a slightly smaller port of the water channel therefore you will notice that after swapping the head, your engine will run slightly hotter but not into a high risk level.

After done the convertion I Found that my car revs higher and smoother than SOHC. Fuel consumption slightly improve, the reason not the DOHC, the reason is my leg cos it's easier to rev up the engine so I rev less. After the conversion I've drove it more than 9 months without problem. Overall I've spend RM1400 for the conversion and I nvr need to drive back to garage. Not even a single problem. Therefore I'm happy.

My bro. last time kena tipu by one of the famous mechanics in Shah Alam and he sold my bro. a 4G91 head instead of 93. Last time I don't know how to see the different, but now I have learned the differences. After the conversion that mechanics also swapped my bro. intake manifold, he has changed to 91 air intake manifold. The differences is 91 has no EGR while our local 92 and 93 has EGR. Damn, once open the head, I've seen a lot of carbon debris sticking on the top of the piston.

Finally, my mechanics suggest me since this is 91 head, what he can trying to do it do a port and polishing. Use the venturi gasket and mark the a porting size on the 91 head and port it back to 93. Although it takes a long time and after porting I went to check it and I see no different of the sizes except the head has been port and polish. Also the only thing cannot do is the middle of the inlet valve porting size and the cams profile as well as the spring. Originally the 93 head, the valve spring using 5mm longer spring than 91.

After rebuilting the head my brother car is running fine and without a single time going back to the garage but recently I heard my bro. said he notice a quite a loud noise of from the tappet of the head. I think it's time to clean the tappet. My bro car is an auto. Last time his car 4G93P SOHC can run max. 165km/h and now can reach over 170km/h, without touching any tuning of the car.

You can change the head to DOHC but there's one thing you hard to change. It is the ignition coil. The 4G93 DOHC head has different configuration of the ignition coil. Obviously when you open up the bonnet, you could see the distributor at the left hand side of the head.

The 4G92 and 4G93 block has the same diameter of the cylinder. The 93 block are 20mm longer than 92 block. Therefore I believe the piston circle on the head is the same. 91 has smaller piston circle.

Well, that's my experience and all I can share.
 
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izzit ok if i use the 4g91 distributor injection type?
 
Q:wat is the difference if we change the Stroke of 4g93 and use back the 4G92 one ??

i am a little confuse here thanks ..

and also can i use 4G91 injection Regulator ar ?
 
xin said:
izzit ok if i use the 4g91 distributor injection type?

Q:wat is the difference if we change the Stroke of 4g93 and use back the 4G92 one ??

i am a little confuse here thanks ..

and also can i use 4G91 injection Regulator ar ?

Yes.

What stroke do u mean?

91 injection regulator? do u mean the fuel regulator?
 
opss sorri i mean can i use 4G91 injection type distributor instead of the carb distributor ?..

i mean is if i change the 4G93Head rite ? should i use 4G93 stroke on my 4G92block or just use back the 4G92stroke on it ? got wat difference ? which is more prefered ? thanks
 
Bore is the width of the cylinder, stroke is the distance the piston moves in the cylinder. Lengthening stroke and/or increasing bore increases the displacement of the engine, and, in the right combination results in more HP and torque. The proportion of those changes, bore vs. stroke, effects the power characteristics of the engine. Usually, engines with longer stroke than bore, called under-square engine designs, equate to higher torque at the sacrifice of some HP. Over-square engines, i.e. wider bore than the stroke is long, equate to higher HP, at the sacrifice of some torque.
 
93 rods will not fit in 92 block as the rod is longer and will protrude the piston out of the 92P block.
 
93 rods longer? I thot u said shorter coz the piston diameter same kan? Kalau longer the cubic capacity is reduced.. coz piston travel is shortened.. Just want clarification.. :)
 
4G93 rods are longer than 4G92 rods.. piston diameter same so definetely the 93 is longer bcause it has a higher displacement
 
92P stroke = 77.5mm
93P = 89mm
Both block have same bore, 81mm

thus...4G93P block has extra 20mm on it...

4G93P stroke can be inserted into 92P block wit suitable metal gasket...

inserting 93P stroke will further increase yr displacement and torque but loosing abit HP

remain 92P stroke would allow higher HP at the sacrifice of some torque

this is the theory of you give and take..lol
 
93 engines have bigger rod ratios than 92, thus the higher 93 block than 92

Rod ratio is based on rod length divided by crank stroke.

Not only is the rod longer, the 93 crank stroke (main crank journal to crank rod journal) is also longer.

Anyway, neither the crank nor rod from the 93 can be fitted into a 92 block.

Seen it, been there, done it.
 
jee_square said:
93 rods longer? I thot u said shorter coz the piston diameter same kan? Kalau longer the cubic capacity is reduced.. coz piston travel is shortened.. Just want clarification.. :)

The 93 crank stroke is longer than 92.
 
Joeker said:
The 93 crank stroke is longer than 92.


Owh, just as i thought... The journals wont fit i guess.. Or else ppl would have done it long ago! hehe.. Thanks a lot for ur info joeker.. Learned sumthing new each day! cheers!
 
4G92+4G93 head

:cool: hi every1..
i'm going to sell my engine...it was 4G92P with 4G93 head,intake n throtle body...it was still in my car..will take it out when got buyers already...engine goes with complete wiring n gear box....sell it coz going to upgrade to GSR turbo :biggrin: any1 interested can PM me ur best price k n we can discuss....chers :tee:
 

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