Anyone heard about Vsafe Energy??

[Izso]

I think this report might helps us =)
http://vsafeenergy.com/pdfs/report_hercules.pdf

Aiya, this link was useless. I had to do my own research and I finally understand now.

Brake power
Brake power is the power output of the drive shaft of an engine without the power loss caused by gears, transmission, friction, etc. It's called also pure power, useful power, true power or wheel power as well as other terms. This formula is written as:

Brake power = T * w...........where; T: is the torque required of wheels
of the vehicles to move and w: is the angular velocity of wheels.

Brake Specific Fuel Consumption is a measure of how efficiently a given amount of fuel is being converted into a specific amount of horsepower. More broadly stated, it could also be considered a measure of combustion efficiency,

So basically this product is probably another glorified octane booster with additives. Kinda like Liqui Moly, Works / Lucas / STP / etc.

And last point is their marketing head should be fired. The common layman will not understand what they put and everyone will think you are nothing more than mocking them. Not everyone is a mechanical engineer graduate la.

 

[DanzEterna]

Too complicate for me, I only know the fuel cools the combustion chamber as it enters and produces power on ignition.....

i only know how to pump petrol

 

[vr2turbo]

i only know how to pump petrol

Too bad, we are just layman....

 

[LesleyAprotto]

Dear guys,

Do not mean to offend or take sides la...

Why not let TS out from the firing squad ?

After all he just asked ONE question and you guys fire him with torpedoes, missiles, rockets and atomic bombs....

hehehe....

Just joking ley.......:wavey:

 

[Izso]

Dear guys,

Do not mean to offend or take sides la...

Why not let TS out from the firing squad ?

After all he just asked ONE question and you guys fire him with torpedoes, missiles, rockets and atomic bombs....

hehehe....

Just joking ley.......:wavey:

The TS is a civilised person who's openly discussing the topic with me. The fact that he replied shows he isn't some marketing dimwit trying to promote the product blindly. And I have been having a cordial discussion with him.

Right now we've concluded that it's something like the octane boosters and additives that other companies offer and that the website has not taken into consideration laymen who don't understand automotive mechanical engineering terms which at the same time is highly misleading.

 

[vr2turbo]

Dear guys,

Do not mean to offend or take sides la...

Why not let TS out from the firing squad ?

After all he just asked ONE question and you guys fire him with torpedoes, missiles, rockets and atomic bombs....

hehehe....

Just joking ley.......:wavey:

Firstly, we never bombard him but the product, as we have never seen any product yet to do as claimed, especially in fuel savings.
More over after TS have replied, we left it to bro. Izso to discuss technically.....

 

[D7zul]

as far as i know, to improve combustion efficiency, u need a well designed engine plus a big spark and lots n lots of air..

fuel is controlled by the ECU.. so, if u need to change anything about the fuel map, need to modify/change ECU.. fuel pressure also play a role in this.. (carburetor engine different story)

quality of fuel, better get RON97

efficiency is one thing.. cost is another thing..

no point spending rm20 to save rm20

 

[driftkingII]

is it me?

or the UTM cert looks fake.. i mean look at the autograph... how can the person sign soo 100% accurately on both.. big n small..

 

[Mohd.Rashid]

The company has devoted over 20 years to the research and development of bio-fuel catalysts to increase the effectiveness of fuel that we put in our cars, trucks and machines. Besides positively tested by UTM, There are Interterk, ADC and even MPOB write in a congratulation letter =) . Hmm.. let give an example for simple explaination : Everyone work hard on the hardware such as engine and etc but you wont make it perfect without good software which is fuel . The product itself has the ability to change the fuel into better one.. Just like if you pump ron97 you feel much better =) . When come to bio-tech.. In many things there are possible =)

To Dzul , I don't think you will spend RM20 to save RM20 . These are the cheapest you can find in market =)
To driftkingII , Are you sure is 100% the same? You may call UTM to verify it =)

P/s : Power Booster might have over claimed as the actual report/testing still on-going . The % are feedbacks given by some users =)

Anyways thanks for your opinion and etc.. Happy New Year guys =)

 

[LittleWhiteWagon]

The company has devoted over 20 years to the research and development of bio-fuel catalysts to increase the effectiveness of fuel that we put in our cars, trucks and machines. Besides positively tested by UTM, There are Interterk, ADC and even MPOB write in a congratulation letter =) . Hmm.. let give an example for simple explaination : Everyone work hard on the hardware such as engine and etc but you wont make it perfect without good software which is fuel . The product itself has the ability to change the fuel into better one.. Just like if you pump ron97 you feel much better =) . When come to bio-tech.. In many things there are possible =)

To Dzul , I don't think you will spend RM20 to save RM20 . These are the cheapest you can find in market =)
To driftkingII , Are you sure is 100% the same? You may call UTM to verify it =)

P/s : Power Booster might have over claimed as the actual report/testing still on-going . The % are feedbacks given by some users =)

Anyways thanks for your opinion and etc.. Happy New Year guys =)

I love the way the website says 20 years of R&D and they came out with... octane boosters. Two decades and they make a product that is placed right in the market where it is flooded with competition products. You wan't a sure fire way to decrease fuel mileage and get power? Go get a MSD ignition setup. Not cheap but that gives a CONFIRMED more complete burn of your petrol with its multi spark. And a much bigger multi spark too.

As much as this miracle product 'chemically changes' the burning rate of petrol your spark size & duration isn't going to magically adapt itself to burn that 'special petrol'. Biotech or not if you don't adjust anything else to suit that new found 'ingridient' it doesn't do anything. If someone here can show me a significant increase in power from a standard small capacity engine, untuned one run on ron95 & ron97 then i'll probably change my mind.

However if you're talking about heavily modified engines with tuning to suit the octane of petrol, that works.

 

[Izso]

The company has devoted over 20 years to the research and development of bio-fuel catalysts to increase the effectiveness of fuel that we put in our cars, trucks and machines. Besides positively tested by UTM, There are Interterk, ADC and even MPOB write in a congratulation letter =) . Hmm.. let give an example for simple explaination : Everyone work hard on the hardware such as engine and etc but you wont make it perfect without good software which is fuel . The product itself has the ability to change the fuel into better one.. Just like if you pump ron97 you feel much better =) . When come to bio-tech.. In many things there are possible =)

To Dzul , I don't think you will spend RM20 to save RM20 . These are the cheapest you can find in market =)
To driftkingII , Are you sure is 100% the same? You may call UTM to verify it =)

P/s : Power Booster might have over claimed as the actual report/testing still on-going . The % are feedbacks given by some users =)

Anyways thanks for your opinion and etc.. Happy New Year guys =)

Mohd Rashid, I'd like to offer you a proposal. Give me free samples of the products, let me do my own independent tests including dyno runs and personal Gtech pro comparisons on 2 different car platforms. I will feature on the ZTH news features with my own findings. How about it? If you like I can put it side by side with a product I'm very fond of that has similar claims and do a side by side comparison.

How about it? Are you game? The only caveat is the result regardless of whether it's good or not, I will post my own personal unbiased findings.

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I love the way the website says 20 years of R&D and they came out with... octane boosters. Two decades and they make a product that is placed right in the market where it is flooded with competition products. You wan't a sure fire way to decrease fuel mileage and get power? Go get a MSD ignition setup. Not cheap but that gives a CONFIRMED more complete burn of your petrol with its multi spark. And a much bigger multi spark too.

As much as this miracle product 'chemically changes' the burning rate of petrol your spark size & duration isn't going to magically adapt itself to burn that 'special petrol'. Biotech or not if you don't adjust anything else to suit that new found 'ingridient' it doesn't do anything. If someone here can show me a significant increase in power from a standard small capacity engine, untuned one run on ron95 & ron97 then i'll probably change my mind.

However if you're talking about heavily modified engines with tuning to suit the octane of petrol, that works.

Aisay bro, lets give local products a chance. If it really is good then it's a worthwhile product to invest in. If it's bad then we can ignore it. But until it's investigated we shouldn't jump to conclusions mah

 

[LittleWhiteWagon]

Mohd Rashid, I'd like to offer you a proposal. Give me free samples of the products, let me do my own independent tests including dyno runs and personal Gtech pro comparisons on 2 different car platforms. I will feature on the ZTH news features with my own findings. How about it? If you like I can put it side by side with a product I'm very fond of that has similar claims and do a side by side comparison.

How about it? Are you game? The only caveat is the result regardless of whether it's good or not, I will post my own personal unbiased findings.

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Aisay bro, lets give local products a chance. If it really is good then it's a worthwhile product to invest in. If it's bad then we can ignore it. But until it's investigated we shouldn't jump to conclusions mah

Hahaha local products are good, scuss, HWL, Ultra Racing, those things have been proven though its not exactly comparing apples with apples. But for any magic liquid i'm as skeptical as you are, would it be too much to ask if I join you testing this product as well on the dyno?

 

[ColdPlay]

I don't mind my car to be a guinea pig too. Any free sample to test? Maybe a sample enough for 3 full tank. Just to kill off the placebo effect.
And the 4.9% increased in torque should be captured in dyno machine on the final tank, right?

Last time I got a chance to test the nano sticker which retail for RM160. Stick in a few places
around air intake and fuel line. After that, touge to Kuala Klawang, smoked a few Prancing HoSe
along the way. HoSepower really increased big time

 

[vr2turbo]

If the product is so good, it will sell by itself. Moreover if that company R&D is so good to be able to change the petrol company fuel, then the petrol company R&D engineers are just sitting on their butts.....

 

[Mohd.Rashid]

Izso. Will make arrangement with you soon. Thanks for being unbiased =)

 

[driftkingII]

To driftkingII , Are you sure is 100% the same? You may call UTM to verify it =)

Hi Rashid. Sorry if it was a harsh. Sure I will give UTM a call. (Somehow the cert reminds me of my IT certs)

so far from ur perspective? how great is the product? since u have experience it?

btw, I cannot wait for the review from Iszo !!

 

[vr2turbo]

Yup, will wait for Bro. Izso test result.....

 

[Mohd.Rashid]

Hi Rashid. Sorry if it was a harsh. Sure I will give UTM a call. (Somehow the cert reminds me of my IT certs)

so far from ur perspective? how great is the product? since u have experience it?

btw, I cannot wait for the review from Iszo !!

Its okay bro. Freedom of speech =)
Currently im driving Vios.. With full tank + hercules , i have additional 30-60KM. Depends on driving habits?? Estimated 0.22 cent per KM before add the hercules . Hercules cost around RM4.90 for 50L petrol. Fuel save around 13%?

I had sent Iszo a msg , regarding the dyno test . The company willing to take up the challenge =) Hope for the best =):wavey:

 

[vr2turbo]

Its okay bro. Freedom of speech =)
Currently im driving Vios.. With full tank + hercules , i have additional 30-60KM. Depends on driving habits?? Estimated 0.22 cent per KM before add the hercules . Hercules cost around RM4.90 for 50L petrol. Fuel save around 13%?

I had sent Iszo a msg , regarding the dyno test . The company willing to take up the challenge =) Hope for the best =):wavey:

Good, awaiting your sample for bro. Izso test.......

 

[Izso]

Its okay bro. Freedom of speech =)
Currently im driving Vios.. With full tank + hercules , i have additional 30-60KM. Depends on driving habits?? Estimated 0.22 cent per KM before add the hercules . Hercules cost around RM4.90 for 50L petrol. Fuel save around 13%?

I had sent Iszo a msg , regarding the dyno test . The company willing to take up the challenge =) Hope for the best =):wavey:

Not sure where you sent the message. I didn't get anything?