beetween emanage(blue), ems1 or ultimate emanage

[ashyu90]

halo all sifu2...i use campro engine (satria neo)...have some modification at engine..but i want to know which one management suitable for my car...between ems1, emanage (blue) or ultimate emanage??? pls give me more information...hope sifu2 can give some suggestion...tq...

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need some help from sifu2...

 

[har1th7]

first... what modification you have?

whats ur target? top speed? or peak torque?

 

[SkYwAlKeR]

unichip

 

[speed2horizon]

halo all sifu2...i use campro engine (satria neo)...have some modification at engine..but i want to know which one management suitable for my car...between ems1, emanage (blue) or ultimate emanage??? pls give me more information...hope sifu2 can give some suggestion...tq...

---------- Post added at 05:59 PM ---------- 6 hour anti-bump limit - Previous post was at 05:58 PM ----------

need some help from sifu2...

To mu understanding, EMB cannot be used on Seimens ECU.

unichip

Good choice. But tuner how..? RS..? Always shows high HP, but if never live under the HP figure, he's also not bad.

 

[ashyu90]

first... what modification you have?

whats ur target? top speed? or peak torque?

i already use hicam, port n polish, n over size piston...i target to peak torque...

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To mu understanding, EMB cannot be used on Seimens ECU.



Good choice. But tuner how..? RS..? Always shows high HP, but if never live under the HP figure, he's also not bad.

i used unicip before this..but RS tune not very gud...idling sound like i press pedal minyak and release...and hp not increase after i do more upgrading in my engine...

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so, wut management better than unicip??? im intrested to buy ultimate e manage...but that suitable for campro??

 

[Aikawazzz]

Haltech Interceptor bro... Look for Thomas at GT AUTO. No need pening and scared of problems later.

 

[speed2horizon]

Haltech Interceptor bro... Look for Thomas at GT AUTO. No need pening and scared of problems later.

What thomas is doing for you is auxilary fuel injection system... Can also be done with EMB/EMU, with an inejctor harness for auxilary fuel injection. All u need is the RPM/MAP and TPS signal.

But that's because u're Bolting On turbo where stock injectors are insufficient to supply the fuel to produce good mixture when boosting.

In other words, he's using a Interceptor as an external Injector Controller. Something like a Greddy Rebbit Injector Controller.

In this case as TS has mentioned, he did not went into forced induction. So, auxilary fuel injection will only mess up more.

 

[ashyu90]

tq sifu2..so, da best choice of me is haltech right?? wat haltech ye...coz haltech have many series....but how bout ultimate emanage?? can use or not...pening2 coz im scare not suitable at campro engine...

 

[speed2horizon]

tq sifu2..so, da best choice of me is haltech right?? wat haltech ye...coz haltech have many series....but how bout ultimate emanage?? can use or not...pening2 coz im scare not suitable at campro engine...

Not sure if Haltech interceptor can really support ur ECU. What Aikawazz is using is an interceptor, which is a piggyback...

But if u have extra budget, go for Sprint 500. Install it like a piggyback style cause ur campro engine is drive by wire. If I'm not mistaken. Same as suzuki switft, it has to be installed like a piggyback.

 

[ashyu90]

Not sure if Haltech interceptor can really support ur ECU. What Aikawazz is using is an interceptor, which is a piggyback...

But if u have extra budget, go for Sprint 500. Install it like a piggyback style cause ur campro engine is drive by wire. If I'm not mistaken. Same as suzuki switft, it has to be installed like a piggyback.

owh....sprint 500 is piggyback right?? price with installation n tuning??

 

[sanjay94]

Bro juz wana show u sum video which v did to our frens car wit using emanage ultimate.. see tis video bro.. YouTube - Vtec launch control (part 1)
YouTube - Vtec launch control (part 2) (the EK 2 door with d loud launch controll)
YouTube - Vtec launch control (part 4) (the ek 2 door oso)
YouTube - Vtec launch control (part 3) (the ek oso)
YouTube - Vtec launch control (part 6) ( the red eg)
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1566143308007 (skyline)


Juz wana share sum things.. dont mistake me..

 

[ashyu90]

i still research....between sprint 500 or ultimate emanage...

 

[sanjay94]

ok if interested give me a call soon..

 

[speed2horizon]

owh....sprint 500 is piggyback right?? price with installation n tuning??

Sprint 500 is supposed to be a standalone. But, on a drive by wire system, have to use it like piggyback style. Aircon, cold start, idle speed, etcetc....

 

[ryzzal]

ultimate is double of the price of blue... but the difference between these 2 only minimal... even using same 16x16 table but the difference only on 0.5% and 1% incremental which giving ultimate better in fine tuning... if u have the budget u can go for ultimate... or else u can take blue is more than enough....

why spent a standalone cost but running on piggy? might as well use piggy though...

u can also refer to my posting at the other thread; management for campro 1.6...

 

[JINEIL2EN]

F-Con is....

 

[speed2horizon]

ultimate is double of the price of blue... but the difference between these 2 only minimal... even using same 16x16 table but the difference only on 0.5% and 1% incremental which giving ultimate better in fine tuning... if u have the budget u can go for ultimate... or else u can take blue is more than enough....

why spent a standalone cost but running on piggy? might as well use piggy though...

u can also refer to my posting at the other thread; management for campro 1.6...

Hmm...

EMB
-AFR Mapping direct alteration of the stock Mapping
-MAP sensor is only to read anything beyond the stock MAP/MAF sensor of the OEM
-Can't incorperation Wideband O2 for autotunning
-1 Mapping storage at a time
-No rev limit change(Some did it with the injection harness with signal from the external injectors)
-No data loggin within the EMB
-No for fun features

EMU
-AFR Mapping can be independant. Meaning to say, U key in the targetted AFR instead of +/-
-MAP can replace the OEM MAP/MAF. The MAP sensor react directly to the Mapping of the EMU.
-Able to autotune when plonk in Wideband O2 sensor
-2 Mapping storage at a time-change with a push button
-Can change rev limit to higher/lower - mapping based on EMU, not stock ECU.
-Able to datalog with the EMU
-Launch control


Just to share some of the difference that justify the price.

 

[ryzzal]

speed- true what u r saying, but not many customers willing to pay double of the price as compared to how much modification done to the engine... if the engine has only minimal mod, the amount of investing in ultimate will not justify... or i would say how difference it can be as compared to blue... d roi may not satisfied the owner... thn the blame will be on tuners... on d other hands, if d engine has lots of mods, by all means all emu function can be fully utilized and significant improvement will satisfy the owners....

btw, not many customers may understand the true meaning of piggyback... all they know is when they invested in piggyback wit minimal mods for engine, they wants miracles from tuners...

 

[speed2horizon]

speed- true what u r saying, but not many customers willing to pay double of the price as compared to how much modification done to the engine... if the engine has only minimal mod, the amount of investing in ultimate will not justify... or i would say how difference it can be as compared to blue... d roi may not satisfied the owner... thn the blame will be on tuners... on d other hands, if d engine has lots of mods, by all means all emu function can be fully utilized and significant improvement will satisfy the owners....

btw, not many customers may understand the true meaning of piggyback... all they know is when they invested in piggyback wit minimal mods for engine, they wants miracles from tuners...

YES... I'm also using EMB. Still achieving satisfactory result. Just need to understand the product properly... Then u'll know what to expect.

Cheers.... But the thing is, I'm not too sure if the EMB can alter the signal from the seimens. VDO

 

[ryzzal]

i have tried on vdo... the customer installed in 1 of the famous shop, they sent tuning with me... during tuning time the setting didnt revert back to ori mapping but not sure now... can reconfirm if the customer comes back to me to check... hes running on emb wit basic harness only