kimi join ferrari in 2007

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my dad says he read it in da papers tat Raikkonen moving to Ferrari in 2007 is true woh......anyway, i still hope its not.....

n oso M Schumey gonna retire after next year's season....

 

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Flying Finn

Who saids Finnish driver won't join ferrari? Remember Mika Salo?
Anyway, I'm a die hard Mclaren fan. So i hope Kimi stays with them. He's terrific in today's Japan GP. Really showed others that he's currently the best and fastest driver on track. Bravo Kimi. I'd say he's the only one, next to Mika Hakkinen who can outpaced Schumi in a level playing field. Exception for this year because of Bridgestone tyres, the ferrari is way out of league. We'll see next year, I'll put my money on Kimi taking the drivers title next year, and the year after that, either with Mclaren or Ferrari.

Go flying Finn.

 

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Who saids Finnish driver won't join ferrari? Remember Mika Salo?
Anyway, I'm a die hard Mclaren fan. So i hope Kimi stays with them. He's terrific in today's Japan GP. Really showed others that he's currently the best and fastest driver on track. Bravo Kimi. I'd say he's the only one, next to Mika Hakkinen who can outpaced Schumi in a level playing field. Exception for this year because of Bridgestone tyres, the ferrari is way out of league. We'll see next year, I'll put my money on Kimi taking the drivers title next year, and the year after that, either with Mclaren or Ferrari.

Go flying Finn.

not to show disrespect for kimi.. but he is the best?? quite doubtful.. he was faster in the race than evryone but part of those pace are down to the car.. driver wise its almost imposible to tell who is better if u compare him with MS or fernando.. (im particularly impressed with alonso in the japan gp race.. especially the move over michael through 130r is completely mind blowing.. even kimi wasnt either commited or able (or need to if u wish to see it the other case although its much likely to be the other 2 reason seeing he is so desperate to overtake michael) to do so.. if its not becoz of FIA'a stupid miscommunication which screwed up alonso's race.. it might be a very different ending

 

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...especially the move over michael through 130r is completely mind blowing.. even kimi wasnt either commited or able (or need to if u wish to see it the other case although its much likely to be the other 2 reason seeing he is so desperate to overtake michael) to do so...

That move was so dodgy, that even if you asked Alonso to do it again, he would think twice about it. It really could easily have failed big time. So your statement is both ill advised and unfair. Just because some git pulled of an insane and audacious stunt, that put himself and his car and the Manufacturers Championship at risk, means I've got to do the same? Even if Schumacher was in Kimi's shoes that time, I don't think the great man would try such a thing that would very likely compromise his whole GP weekend.

Alonso pulled of an insanely brave move and got the rewards. Leave it at that. Or do you expect every good driver to pull the same stunt to get the same recognition? Why not get all the all time greats to do that?

It's like a kid jumping off a window unharmed, and then tried to get the other kids to try it and then tease them that they are chicken if they didn't. Childish behaviour.

 

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That move was so dodgy, that even if you asked Alonso to do it again, he would think twice about it. It really could easily have failed big time. So your statement is both ill advised and unfair. Just because some git pulled of an insane and audacious stunt, that put himself and his car and the Manufacturers Championship at risk, means I've got to do the same? Even if Schumacher was in Kimi's shoes that time, I don't think the great man would try such a thing that would very likely compromise his whole GP weekend.

Alonso pulled of an insanely brave move and got the rewards. Leave it at that. Or do you expect every good driver to pull the same stunt to get the same recognition? Why not get all the all time greats to do that?

It's like a kid jumping off a window unharmed, and then tried to get the other kids to try it and then tease them that they are chicken if they didn't. Childish behaviour.

quite lazy to repeat but like i mentioned in another topic its diff opinion between both of us.. while i appreciate ur remark abt the move i jus couldnt really accept it becoz i know to make such a move u need to be really delicate and brave.. i tried them in racing before n its not easy.. n of coz i tried something similiar like kimi's n i tot it was easier hence my opinion on both their move (kimi's move like i mentioned earlier was skilled becoz its was calculated and pre-plan n if i m not wrong alonso did that many times to many cars during the race..)

the move was insane in a way but without a cool head that will never pull off.. n all time greats always make at least one stunning moves or race in their career.. this migh be the proof that alonso could qualified as one

P/s: u could call it desperate or whatever but to get past michael n that pt is crucial to alonso's race becoz in terms of race pace kimi's mclaren hold a slight edge.. n thats why whatever happened after the incident its not really possible for alonso to win..

 

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For the record, I responded to you stating that it was more likely that Kimi didn't and couldn't emulate Alonso's moves on Schumacher. I've re-read your previous post for confirmation.

Anyway, let's not jump to conclusions over one move in one race. (ie. you trying to group Alonso with the all time greats)

I've already said it was a bold move that paid off. I was at the edge of my seat watching that. It was spectacular no doubt and had me applauding afterwards.

But after the adrenalin levels come down a bit, and you think a bit more, you just know that move was uncalled for. Especially when Renault are still in the running for the Constructor's Championship. Alonso could have used a safer manoeuvre to pass the slower Ferrari. Like he did the second time around. You know and I know that a calm, collected Alonso (like he has been all season) would not have tried that to endanger his teams chances. He was a bit brash on that move. Great move nonetheless.

 

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For the record, I responded to you stating that it was more likely that Kimi didn't and couldn't emulate Alonso's moves on Schumacher. I've re-read your previous post for confirmation.

Anyway, let's not jump to conclusions over one move in one race. (ie. you trying to group Alonso with the all time greats)

I've already said it was a bold move that paid off. I was at the edge of my seat watching that. It was spectacular no doubt and had me applauding afterwards.

But after the adrenalin levels come down a bit, and you think a bit more, you just know that move was uncalled for. Especially when Renault are still in the running for the Constructor's Championship. Alonso could have used a safer manoeuvre to pass the slower Ferrari. Like he did the second time around. You know and I know that a calm, collected Alonso (like he has been all season) would not have tried that to endanger his teams chances. He was a bit brash on that move. Great move nonetheless.

yea i did say kimi couldnt emulate the same move n he dint do so? so if there is any arguement well its pure waste of time becoz to me he couldnt n to u its not neccessary.. no1 could prove which 1 is really the case even the drivers alone so no much pt arguing


i admit it was a big gamble even when i saw the move i knew it was quite risky coz renault is still in hunt for the title.. but then again if alonso is confident with it he shud go for it.. isnt that what a racer shud be? (i recalled many mentioned he is not a racer so i believe this could at least make them rethink their remarks)

 

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McLaren quite certainly hav the fastest car on the circuit..but the fastest car doesnt necessary win u races..skills do, pit-stop strategies do..give alex yoong a ferrari n he might still finish at the back of the grid..
thers no doubt the Kimi has been the better driver all season, more so towards the end of the season. Eventhou the title was out of his sight, he still pushed hard in qualifying..given a little more luck he wud hav won the Championship 10 races into the season..
well, thers always next yr..n im puttin my house on the FLYING FINN making it up..

 

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yea i did say kimi couldnt emulate the same move n he dint do so? so if there is any arguement well its pure waste of time becoz to me he couldnt n to u its not neccessary.. no1 could prove which 1 is really the case even the drivers alone so no much pt arguing

I'm arguing because your comments were totally unfair. Like I said, put any other driver in Kimi's shoes at the time and they wouldn't have tried to emulate Alonso's move either. The question of whether he could or couldn't shouldn't even be a question. It was a Russian Roulette. Alonso thought he was lucky and he guessed right. Who knows what might happen the next lap around. Even Alonso would not try that again. In fact, to insinuate such a thing is downright childish.

...i recalled many mentioned he is not a racer so i believe this could at least make them rethink their remarks...

I've already retracted my remark in the other topic if you have bothered to noticed.

 

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McLaren quite certainly hav the fastest car on the circuit..but the fastest car doesnt necessary win u races..skills do, pit-stop strategies do..give alex yoong a ferrari n he might still finish at the back of the grid..
thers no doubt the Kimi has been the better driver all season, more so towards the end of the season. Eventhou the title was out of his sight, he still pushed hard in qualifying..given a little more luck he wud hav won the Championship 10 races into the season..

Exactly. Try and suggest Schumacher didn't deserve his titles because the Ferrari team was so strong. It just isn't right. Raikkonen's performances this season has been exemplary and deserving of an unofficial Driver's Championship.

well, thers always next yr..n im puttin my house on the FLYING FINN making it up..

With all the rule changes coming in, this a big risk to take mate. McLaren might not be as competitive next season. Look at the great Ferrari team. Even they faltered as a result of rule changes.

 

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I'm arguing because your comments were totally unfair. Like I said, put any other driver in Kimi's shoes at the time and they wouldn't have tried to emulate Alonso's move either. The question of whether he could or couldn't shouldn't even be a question. It was a Russian Roulette. Alonso thought he was lucky and he guessed right. Who knows what might happen the next lap around. Even Alonso would not try that again. In fact, to insinuate such a thing is downright childish.

I've already retracted my remark in the other topic if you have bothered to noticed.

well like i mentioned u could think i m childlish to comment that kimi wasnt able to emulate the move but frankly i could say that to u as well coz its simple really.. fact is u couldnt accept my opinion and i couldnt accept urs.. u can think its not fair but then what makes u think ur opinion is not bias? becoz i recalled before kimi overtook michael at the straight.. he did try to be as close to michael to 130r but its either his car or michael was more aware this time kimi wasnt able to follow michael.. in fact he fell back abit.. coz this be due to aero of the car i dunno but i do know i saw kimi repeatly trying to get pass michael whenever he can and that includes 130r.. jus that he dint get to do it n he was able to do it at the first corner

 

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I think it is childish because it is and it applies in other analogous situations other than F1. Nothing to do with biasedness.

I just ran past a red light in front of a police officer and didn't get caught. Why don't you try it? No? Why, are you a coward?

Anyway, I've already explained it a very very lengthy post at the Japan GP thread why Kimi had overtaking problems. If you feel like reading, please do.

 

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I think it is childish because it is and it applies in other analogous situations other than F1. Nothing to do with biasedness.

I just ran past a red light in front of a police officer and didn't get caught. Why don't you try it? No? Why, are you a coward?

Anyway, I've already explained it a very very lengthy post at the Japan GP thread why Kimi had overtaking problems. If you feel like reading, please do.

i read it.. well u jus gave me prove to what i said was right.. kimi really cant put that move on michael be it becoz of him or his car.. its not he don wan to.. thank you~!!! :)

 

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i read it.. well u jus gave me prove to what i said was right.. kimi really cant put that move on michael be it becoz of him or his car.. its not he don wan to.. thank you~!!! :)

Huh??? You must be seriously mistaken, my friend.

What I'm trying to say is that not everyone would choose to take such a risk. But because they choose not to doesn't make them a lesser man but a wiser head. Simple English, he didn't want to and didn't need to. He got past Schumacher anyway, which proves the latter.

Can't is if he tried and failed. If he had, for instance, tried to overtake Schumacher at 130R and ran out of the track or crashed for example. Then that is can't or couldn't.

Anyway, let's put a stop to this. This is seriously off topic.

 

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Huh??? You must be seriously mistaken, my friend.

What I'm trying to say is that not everyone would choose to take such a risk. But because they choose not to doesn't make them a lesser man but a wiser head. Simple English, he didn't want to and didn't need to.

Can't is if he tried and failed.

Anyway, let's put a stop to this. This is seriously off topic.

haha yea its off the topic.. but anyway jus to put an end to it.. he did try like it anot (from the race video).. he knows he cant do it (becoz of car or becoz his abilty or becoz of michael.. whatever the reason he jus cant) n thats why he hav to choose somewhere else..
its normal we don see eye to eye in this becoz we hav diff interpretion of it..

 

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haha yea its off the topic.. but anyway jus to put an end to it.. he did try like it anot (from the race video).. he knows he cant do it (becoz of car or becoz his abilty or becoz of michael.. whatever the reason he jus cant) n thats why he hav to choose somewhere else..
its normal we don see eye to eye in this becoz we hav diff interpretion of it..

I do not remember him being aside Schumacher taking the inside or outside line. I only remember him trying to put pressure on Schumacher and get a good run into the chicane and the final corner to try and overtake at the start finish straight.

Of course, I don't have photographic memory. If you happen to have recording and can review this or if you think you remember clearly, I'll stand corrected.

 

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I do not remember him being aside Schumacher taking the inside or outside line. I only remember him trying to put pressure on Schumacher and get a good run into the chicane and the final corner to try and overtake at the start finish straight.

Of course, I don't have photographic memory. If you happen to have recording and can review this or if you think you remember clearly, I'll stand corrected.

not sure how u derive that but then kimi did try diff lines but always michael kept his.. kimi realised it wasnt possible n therefore always follow michael thru 130r instead.. u could see how much he drop back after he try going around michael but realised couldnt..

after that wht u remember was right.. he did put pressure on michael in the chicane as a preparation of his move (after overtaking at 130r wasnt possible).. it was a real smart move i must say

 

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not sure how u derive that but then kimi did try diff lines but always michael kept his.. kimi realised it wasnt possible n therefore always follow michael thru 130r instead.. u could see how much he drop back after he try going around michael but realised couldnt..

after that wht u remember was right.. he did put pressure on michael in the chicane as a preparation of his move (after overtaking at 130r wasnt possible).. it was a real smart move i must say

How I derive that? From watching races and listening to Martin Brundle. Anyway, if you had 2 options and one of it is more fesible and less risky than the other, which one will you try?

Since you are adamant of your stand, I could change mine to suit myself also. Instead of saying Alonso pulled of a great move, I'd say he got lucky. He said it himself. He said it was risky and he had nothing to lose. From that you could conclude that in his mind, he was going into Sato mode, kamikaze mode.

 

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How I derive that? From watching races and listening to Martin Brundle. Anyway, if you had 2 options and one of it is more fesible and less risky than the other, which one will you try?

Since you are adamant of your stand, I could change mine to suit myself also. Instead of saying Alonso pulled of a great move, I'd say he got lucky. He said it himself. He said it was risky and he had nothing to lose. From that you could conclude that in his mind, he was going into Sato mode, kamikaze mode.

haha.. we will always disagree on it.. some will say kimi's move is better some will say fernando is better.. its a never ending debate..