NGV Converted Cars Community

[hello123]

ngv will causing power loss...

so normally they installed snow performance stuff, the water/methanol injection kit...rm2k ++

or the hydrogen generator stuff....bout rm1k

anyting can pm me, i got lobangs for u

hey bro,
i'm driving 1992 model toyota crown 3.0cc, 2JZ-GE engine.
any advice on my ride? whether to install NGV or water/methanol injection kit?
thanks.

 

[baby_jap_wawa]

u can install ngv.. :) water/methanol u'll need to buy the water/methanol liquid always.. and it only save u 30-40% of ur petrol.. eg ur full tank petrol rm100, so u have to pay around rm60-rm70 + methanol liquid maybe around rm15-rm20, so in the end u dont really save that much.. if ngv, u can save 70% eg ur full tank petrol rm100, u pay only rm30 for ngv.. i think the methanol set is ard rm2-3k.. ngv ard rm5k++ mixer system.. i would suggest ngv cos its been use for around 60 years in msia.. so far no reported cases involving explosion of ngv if u use the right set (don't compare what u read in the news cos they use the cooking gas tank to store the ngv which is reali stupid >.water is quite new and recent.. so its up to u to balance the pros and cons and decide which fits ur style.. :)

 

[laut]

hi to all
i'm kinda interested in getting NGV vehicle
but i got some question to ask u people

- for the performance wise, the ngv will reduce up to 10% of original performance, in this case, what is the visible effect, low pickup or reduced topspeed?

-the reduction of perfomance is due to what, the ngv is heavy or the combustion process?

-how bout when climbing mountain, is it feel heavy, e.g like climbing genting, can we feel the diff before and after install ngv?

-i had read before that the cost of producing ngv is actually higher than what we pay, then the gov is rite now subsidize us. but later when gov feel the price is troubling them, they will hike up the price.is this news true?

 

[baby_jap_wawa]

hi to all
i'm kinda interested in getting NGV vehicle
but i got some question to ask u people

- for the performance wise, the ngv will reduce up to 10% of original performance, in this case, what is the visible effect, low pickup or reduced topspeed?
pickup maybe slower.. u don't want to drive ngv at 250km/h.. best for city drive.. :) if u want race, jst change to petrol.. my advice, use mixer.. :)

-the reduction of perfomance is due to what, the ngv is heavy or the combustion process?
definately power of gas not same with petrol.. if your tuner gd, he can tune to get the same effect.. but the gas consumption would be higher of course.. :)

-how bout when climbing mountain, is it feel heavy, e.g like climbing genting, can we feel the diff before and after install ngv?
climb genting use petrol la.. gas also can.. but it'll touture your engine la.. ngv is gas ma.. our engine is build for liquid = petrol.. if your drive normal its ok.. but always torture your car, then your car will kong fast..
-i had read before that the cost of producing ngv is actually higher than what we pay, then the gov is rite now subsidize us. but later when gov feel the price is troubling them, they will hike up the price.is this news true?

nolarhhs.. cost of ngv material is very cheap only.. this is bullshit..

 

[masprops78]

u can install ngv.. :) water/methanol u'll need to buy the water/methanol liquid always.. and it only save u 30-40% of ur petrol.. eg ur full tank petrol rm100, so u have to pay around rm60-rm70 + methanol liquid maybe around rm15-rm20, so in the end u dont really save that much.. if ngv, u can save 70% eg ur full tank petrol rm100, u pay only rm30 for ngv.. i think the methanol set is ard rm2-3k.. ngv ard rm5k++ mixer system.. i would suggest ngv cos its been use for around 60 years in msia.. so far no reported cases involving explosion of ngv if u use the right set (don't compare what u read in the news cos they use the cooking gas tank to store the ngv which is reali stupid >.water is quite new and recent.. so its up to u to balance the pros and cons and decide which fits ur style.. :)

Im not really agreed with you baby,
As my experienced with my volvo (carb-manual) for more than 2 years using multifuel system, NGV+HHO+Water Injection. My gas consumption only rm0.045 (hiway-normal drive with a/cond). Water injection (MW50/50) actually not really helps in terms of saving & power but HHO yes, where hho produces 3x power than petrol & 6x than NGV. My volvo fitted with 17" rim & 62ltr full metal tank & i believed can gain more savings and power if reduce the weight.

Water Injection actually has been introduced very long time ago, before INTERCOOLER SYSTEM was intro. Applied to those high performance engine with Turbo to reduce heat to the engine. One of famous brand pioneer in this tech was SAAB. The tech sloowly dissapear when INTERCOOLER was intros.

Based on my own set up of my Water injection system, it's only cost me less than Rm100 (using high quality materials), & HHO system (hydrogen) cost me around less than rm300 (depends to quality of the materials).

We don't have to worry about the NGV tank where the tank has been designed & constructed with safety features of heat & load pressure. That's why our tank normally will come together with HT cert by manufacturer & form 131a/130a from DOSH/JKKP. The only think to worried is the gunuine of the cert!!

If the cert is genuine, don't worry..the tank can withstand the pressure (if im not mistaken) up to 470bar where our NGV station only produce pressure max about 250bar!!

To get the best GC & power in yr NGV system, most important is yr tuning, spark plug, regulator set up (brand) & yr right foot...neither mixer or sequential.

For info, im one of the person involved with company that producing high pressure vessel/tank/Heat Exchangers, and liased with local authority (if local usage) or 3rd Party (worlwide recognised) for inspection before tank/vessel/Heat Exchangers certified safe to be used. Even we are not producing NGV tank but Code/standard/spec to used for engineering & constructions almost the same...maybe higher than that (depends to client/country req)..

 

[laut]

can anyone explain what is the diff between mixer type and sequential type
why sequential is expensive? is it due to to electronic parts?

 

[baby_jap_wawa]

mixer u can switch between petrol and gas manually.. sequential changes petrol to gas and vice versa automatically with the instruction of the ecu, and it detects when best to use gas and when best to use petrol.. and yeahhs, sequential is more expensive because of the additional ecu.. if u using old model car, mixer will do fine.. if new model, many installers will recommend sequential.. cos if the ecu feel gas not enough power to push the car, it will auto change to petrol.. u cant always force gas to power up ur car.. if u do, ur internal will kong very fast..

 

[laut]

how bout in terms of handling
is it give effect due to more weight at the back
if we use petrol at that time, does the perfomance also drop comparing to those original petrol car

 

[daremo]

what is the risk of explosion due to improper installation?
u all know lar, this is MALAYSIA boleh-land...

Bump: what is the risk of explosion due to improper installation?
u all know lar, this is MALAYSIA boleh-land...

 

[baby_jap_wawa]

how bout in terms of handling
is it give effect due to more weight at the back
if we use petrol at that time, does the perfomance also drop comparing to those original petrol car

due to the weight, it is recommended to put stiffer springs at the back so ur car's height wont go down.. :) performance is abt the same if u use petrol against those original petrol car.. jst maybe it feels like carrying additional 1 more passanger only.. the weight of the tank is approx 30-40kg for a 70L semi fiber tank.. :)

Bump:

what is the risk of explosion due to improper installation?
u all know lar, this is MALAYSIA boleh-land...

Bump: what is the risk of explosion due to improper installation?
u all know lar, this is MALAYSIA boleh-land...

actually ngv is very easy to install.. if u use proper kit, the chances of explosion is minimal.. even there is a leak, there won't be any explosion.. only ur gas will go down very fast.. :) explosion happens because some ppl use the cooking gas tank to fill in ngv gas.. ngv tank can stand up to 300 bar pressure whereas cooking gas tank can only tahan 30 bar pressure.. i think thats obvious why u hear those explosion cases happening due to cooking gas tank.. for those cars using the ngv kits, even though they have improper installation, no cases of explosion has happen when using the right ngv kits are concern.. :)

 

[SoYouThinkYouCanDrive]

May I just ask a direct question ?

I heard taxi drivers says NGV is not good for the engine, for it's runs on gas without lubricant agent compared to petrol.

Can anyone enlighten me plz ? Coz I been thinking to install NGV too, to save my pocket

thanks

 

[baby_jap_wawa]

May I just ask a direct question ?

I heard taxi drivers says NGV is not good for the engine, for it's runs on gas without lubricant agent compared to petrol.

Can anyone enlighten me plz ? Coz I been thinking to install NGV too, to save my pocket

thanks

u're right.. its not so gd for the engine cos its on gas.. out engines are built for petrol usage.. but the prices of petrol is so high, so wat can we do.. =(

but even though there are so many criticism abt ngv, the taxis are still using it.. most complain is the loss of power.. but that can be dealt with a good tuner.. :) those who have prob with their engine means they're not maintaining their car the good way.. for example, ngv cars need use engine oil 20-50w or 20-60w because ngv is hotter.. i personally advice ppl to go for mixer cos u can switch between petrol and gas anytime.. so on and off u can switch to petrol to reduce the burden on the engine.. if u're using perdana v6, better to use shell 10-40w bcos of the hydrolic tappets.. if normal engine, 20-50w would be good.. :)

 

[Bar7MonsteR]

good news.....now kemaman got 1 ngv filling station!!!

accidently see it..without hesitation...u turn..filll it...and save quarter tank of fuel...

nice!

 

[baby_jap_wawa]

hahaas.. goood to hear that.. ;)

 

[dzextreme]

May I just ask a direct question ?

I heard taxi drivers says NGV is not good for the engine, for it's runs on gas without lubricant agent compared to petrol.

Can anyone enlighten me plz ? Coz I been thinking to install NGV too, to save my pocket

thanks

yellop,

bro u cant compare your car with taxi...coz u see taxi are mostly travel around 150 above perday,let say permonth 150kmx30days=4500 4500kmx12month=54000 54000kmx60months=3240000km..while ours maybe round 60-80km..Any car i guess if reached that kind of milage must be koyak also... In Brazil and Argentina they have used NGV over 20years..

Im using new Hyundai Accent 1.6 NGV..since Septem2008
never have problem with my engine for now..its true u must have a good lubricant and Coolant..
but for me as long the car already safe my pocket money evryday, why shouldnt i spend bit from my saving for the service once for 3 months...its for my long term investment for the car...

For my fc Rm9.00 can get 160-180km depend on my driving mood..if i drive up hill just change it to petrol.. no problem at all..till now my milage is alreadi reached 35km..cheap maa..hari2 jalan2..

My advice..Not everycar is suitable for NGV..Get professional advice or buy new HYundai Car that comes with NGV so u dont have to be afraid even your new car..coz its already included in warranty...

Happy driving

 

[baby_jap_wawa]

if u are worried that ur car kenot use ngv or wat, then use sequential system.. those cars with turbos are recommended to use this system cos it can pump in more gas and switch to petrol automatically when gas itself is not sufficient to drive the car eg during high boost.. :)

 

[klng72]

baby jap
ar u ngv kit seller?
if yes pls PM me some detail about the kit via email..
[email protected]

thx..

 

[chienoz]

i have installed ngv kit since last 3 years...until now, no problem wif my iswara 1.5 carb...juz a bit hot in the engine bay..dats all..i know it will reduce power..but so far,i mod it bit by bit to increase back my car power..pivot original volt stabilizer, zenden 4-2-1 extractor, wai heng middle bullet (small) and wai heng muffler..So, far im proud of it..(still student,not enough money)

juz bare in mind, ngv cars must always take a gud care about maintainance..thats all..proper coolant, proper engine oil..n must change the rubber vacuum hose to silicon..cuz it really hot n wil spoil the rubber...ive changed mine dee n no probs at all..now juz wait for the time to change my radiator hose oni..

about power,u guys can try to change, high cam, adj cam pulley, crank pulley, flywheel, and clutch plate...sure it will more power..if u guy wan to save petrol but also want to have a powerful car...my 2cents k..dats is my plan for my beloved car..

about overheating, shud use proper engine oil, coolant n etc..sum of my fren said their car realy hot when using ngv.so the solution is, using sound proof at the firewall..it will reduce the heat..thats all..

all above is my experienced n my opinion...if im wrong, please correct me...
just sharring only..
glad to hear from the sifu's again..

 

[masprops78]

Hi all, talking about NGV some people says that Volvo was not suit with it. But i dont believe it & try to my 240GL (M) Carb system with mixer. It has been 3 yrs & so far so good. Plus my NGV has been installed with HHO system by myself. It improved yr GC, power & less heat to engine. So far my car looks fine untill i sold to my fren. & now install Mixer system to my 240GL (A) Injection, yes at first can feel not much diff but after a while can feel the power loss. Start my own R&D, regap plug or change plug, tuning & so on. Btw i do it by myself & i satified with it. Im not a workshop owner nor NGV supplier but MY SINCERE PERSONAL advice to those want or installed NGV, pls get more info about NGV so that not kena pancung by installer. Some of them NOT HONEST THAT NOT REALLY KNOW about SOME brand of cars, maybe expert in few brand, let say japs car but they not good in conti car. So yr conti (if drive conti car) will be their trial error later on...u will suffer by coming up & down for tuning tuning & tuning....

Im talking about my own eperienced, thats why i preferer to do it by myself but that only after years playing with NGV to my own car.

Btw, NGV MIxer if u can get correct fine tuning with it correct accessories eg, plug, mixer, brand of kit, chocker (if req) cable plug, engine oil & most important yr cooling system must in good cond....than that should be ok. Specially if u're driving Volvo K-Jet inj where YOU MUST INSTALL KIT & PROPER TUNING TO PREVENT BACK-FIRE. THIS ENGINE CAN NOT HAVE EVEN ONE TIME BACK-FIRE...once backfire only it will damage yr inj system confirm need replacement. Unlike other car or engine system where back-fire only coz u uneasy to move but the car stll can move!!

DON'T ASK NON NGV INSTALLER OR OTHER UNAUTHORIZED WORKSHOP ABOUT NGV, you only get NEGATIVE RESULT. This happend when they will loose bussiness coz all NGV car must be serviced by NGV workshop only...or else you're in trouble!!

By asking some taxi driver they will said that NGV good & some says bad. Depends to their experienced. To me if you take care about maintenance & proper sevicing your NGV should be fine. Mine for 3++ years never do any dismental to the kit..No problem maa, why should i open it?? hehehe

Masprops78

 

[zagary]

Got a 12yr old Wira 2 years ago. Finally installed the NGV system 2 months ago in Kepong. Been running on the cheap for the past 2 months. Average about RM 5-7 per day for Kepong-Cyberjaya-Kepong. Been a very satisfied driver since then. Saving about RM 200-300 per month average.

Although some care are being shared by the mechanic, such as cooling system, spark plugs and plug cables. Everything are in good order. One thing which my mechanic emphasized is the cooling. Must check everytime when pumping NGV with the bonnet open.