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Mind to tell us the phrase "lean to tune" is what mean? :hmmmm: I bet you miss typing kua.. Learn to tune, isn't it?
If want to self tune, 1st step & important step is you need to have at least a wide band O2...
Not necessary to have Wideband sensor to tune it if you know the trick and have enough experience.
You got to have something to tune then only you can learn to tune. Mind to tell what is engine management that you're using? I'm seriously curious to know. Sound like you do have advance engine management. Every time got to find tuner to tune? why? Engine management setting won't reset itself and it's not necessary to tune it all the time.
As long as you got it right, that it.
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bro.. please don't run away from other people topic le..
Anyway, I didn't mean go to tuning every time... I mean if i done anything on engine, then want to up a bit... then this time only i go to find tuner (example change Turbo, injector and etc)... Beside, means that I don't know how to setting ma.
So please let's discuss in this topic back... I hopefully you may teach us some trick in tuning field. Thanks
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what would u like to knw about e manage blue? i can share u some simple tricks wid e manage blue.. frankly speaking its a very simple device. and do not have much parameters to play with. you could pm me ur email and i can email u a copy of what i get frm my friend.
and u do need a wide band if you would like to be accurate. else u can use those narrow band autometer thingy. at least better than none....
and u do need a wide band if you would like to be accurate. else u can use those narrow band autometer thingy. at least better than none....
1 of our bro here said no need to use wide band also can be tune properly wo... So i think we better wait he to guide us depend on experience that he got le
bro EG9, please teach us le...
RUN FROM TOPIC??? No, I never....the reason I ask you those question because it's related. Why ? can't share with us what you have in ur car? or it's "invisable" tunable stuff that sit in your car and can't let other ppl see?
You need to have something tunable before you can tune, you can't tune stock ECU. You don't even know what is in your car, how are you going to tune it? (Turbo Change, Injectors?...up abit? up what????)
You don't even specify what car that you're driving, with what engine and manage by what ECU, how do you expect me to to know?
Nobody going to say anything if you don't know how to tune, but at least specify what is you running on and what is the tuning problem that you're facing?
Then we have problem to solve here. I'm more then happy to share if someone is serious and dealing with serious tuning matter. I like to solve problem but not just talking without any direction.
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1 of our bro here said no need to use wide band also can be tune properly wo... So i think we better wait he to guide us depend on experience that he got le
bro EG9, please teach us le...
You don't need to use wideband for piggy back tuning because you're not dealing with new fuel mapping creation which the value is far away from the narrow band able to read.
You're still playing within the narrow band value which can be read through narrow band indicator that can be tap on you O2 sensor.
it's piggy back, very simple devide to add or substract the fuel value. It's as simple as that.
The real HP and torque generation is not from there.
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Yup e-manage is easy to tune, very straight forward but the tuning process is quite time consuming and subject to user's preference. Anyways, I'm kinda new in this area but as long as you don't touch the airflow/injector map, you don't actually need a wideband 02 controller. Can always check the plug leads (color) after each tune to see if its rich/lean.
In fact, I read that tuning the airflow map is not going to bring up any more HP. The key to power, it seems, lies on the ignition map. Nevertheless, airflow & acceleration map does help to improve response a bit (light throttle feeling).
Anyways, back to the topic. E-manage blue with 20V SVT should gain about 8-10hp if done properly and you'll need the ignition harness. If anyone here have their 20V running with e-manage, please do share you map with us. :wavey:
In fact, I read that tuning the airflow map is not going to bring up any more HP. The key to power, it seems, lies on the ignition map. Nevertheless, airflow & acceleration map does help to improve response a bit (light throttle feeling).
Anyways, back to the topic. E-manage blue with 20V SVT should gain about 8-10hp if done properly and you'll need the ignition harness. If anyone here have their 20V running with e-manage, please do share you map with us. :wavey:
good discussion. just hope somebody dun keep on shooting his own feet. sometimes less is more.
sorry ar offtopic..hahaha..i know nuts about ECU tuning. juz used before TRD for AFM and Buddy club for MAP. both juz toggling the preset map...hehe
sorry ar offtopic..hahaha..i know nuts about ECU tuning. juz used before TRD for AFM and Buddy club for MAP. both juz toggling the preset map...hehe
Good point there. but too bad, someone is prefer to shout around pointlessly.
To topic starter, it's advisable for you to plug in the serial connection from your e-manage to your notebook and get the e-manage software to online. Take a look at the fuel and ignition mapping adjustment. then let us know what do you want to tune, you can print screen the value and share with us, we may able to guide you how to do it but of coz you need to know how do you want your engine to behave 1st.
The reason we tune because we have objective to reach such as better ideling, better AFR and ect....
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correct correct,only share inputs and knowledge if any.. bro eg9, got a noob question to ask, when u say e manage can improve response n idling on svt, what about bt? coz my mechanic argue that map is easier to tune than afm, but i think the other wise, but based on general knowledge, coz what i know is svt comes with loads of performance parts (especially management and ecu) while bt has very little, mind to share more? izzit due to the ligthened internal of bt that it can't go hi rev compared with svt, or simple fact that svt runs on afm hence easier to tune?
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Yes, you did.. You didn't answer to the person who question up but instead of keep questioning me back. No mention? Yes, I do use the SAFC 2 only. I know the stock ECU definitely cannot be tune la. Why i need to mention to you? Since i not asking you how to tune my car!
Anyway... since you state "You don't even know what is in your car, how are you going to tune it? (Turbo Change, Injectors?...up abit? up what?????)"... So now see how u gonna tune it.
My engine spec:
Block - 4AGE 16v - 140ps
Piston - 82.00 mm - lo com
Bearing - King Race Bearing
Rod - BC con rod
Crank - stock supercharge
Turbo - HKS Garrett 2530
Injector - 510 cc
Intercooler - Custom
Cam - TRD 272 in and ex - Lift 7.5 - Ex. 98° BTDC. In. 102° ATDC
Spring valve - HKS
Valve - 32mm intake and 27.5mm exhaust
Map sensor - supercharge
Fuel Pump - SARD 280 lph
My now SAFC setting is:
1000 rpm - -10%
1600 rpm - -8%
2200 rpm - -5%
2800 rpm - +2%
3400 rpm - +5%
4000 rpm - +10%
4600 rpm - +12%
5200 rpm - +12%
5800 rpm - +10%
6400 rpm - +11%
7000 rpm - +13%
7600 rpm - +14%
8200 rpm - +14%
Anyway I know Narrow band can be use too... But why i said need wide band is because you can tune for more power, closer to the edge, precisely monitoring Air/Fuel ratio Boost, EGT, RPM and throttle position datalogging
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Narrow band is Basic Air fuel meter lo... Got show rich and lean only...
Wide band is Advance Air Fuel meter with showing the exact digit ratio...
Autometer is a brand name...
Anyway please view below link for more information:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-fuel_ratio_meter
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On engine management side, no matter blacktop or silvertop, engine management system will still act the same on the both of this engine maybe the adjustment that you do on it is is slighly different.
Basically BT and SVT share the same peformance part. You won't notice any peformance part specific it's for BT or Silvertop. It's just specify for 20V 4AGE mean it's for both. It's the same.
Whether run out of the topic or not...IS THAT REALLY MATTER?
I'm not asking on the detail of your engine, why do you provide such detail?
I'm just asking what car are you driving, with what engine and what management. It's not necessary for me to tune or anything when I'm asking. (for sharing purpose)
What I can say here is you having hard time to understand proper English. Better get back to school and study hard boy, don't make yourself look foolish.
Since you already release your engine spec, I'm surprise if you can run your car properly on stock ECU with SAFC2 with that kind of spec. I also wonder whether those are "invisible" part. I can just copy or refer the spec on the web and type here..as easy as that.
Advice on tuning your car? very funny..... just totally waste of my time.
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scott- my own experience tells me tuning a map is easier that afm. well it doesnt hold true for all tuners but why i said this is bcuz i deal wid a lot of turbo cars hence tuning wid a map sensor is more handy for me in a few factors. first is the map for fueling. as usual we need a load reference and i would prefer absolute pressure as my load. some pl prefer to use throttle sensor position but i couldnt catch this one so its my bad on it. afm wise, the load will be in voltage form and i couldnt predict it since its not linear. unless im using e manage ultimate i can datalog it and ran map trace to trace back which cell i need to tune if i notice somewhere needs adjustment in my dynojet datalog. still can be tuned but on my side will be definitely take some time as im not too good at it.
theorytically ligther internals is more rev happy because it have lesser inertia in its movements and prone to less vibration if compared to heavier internals. why i said so.? im not sure whether pl here would except my example. last time im afraid my 1jz might twist my main long shaft and i did a custom shaft wid steam pipe. mind u its thick and its heavy. altohught its balanced, it would not be 100% balance..and that little error is enough to cost superb excessive vibration to the whole car and damaged the joint. changed to a light truck shaft and re-customized it n balanced, vibration is no more be felt. it should still be there but at least the effect is much less obvious n its much more rev-able. the theory applies to internals that rotates.
why they normally say the response and idling can be improved on idling is just as simple as trimming down fuel maps to ideal and slightly bump up the timing.
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