Greddy Emanage, Ultimate & V-Manage

[foolat]

[WTA] Emanage Ultimate Users

Hi, just wanted to do a headcount check on who has the Emanage ultimate and anything you can say about after installing emanage ultimate. Lesser fuel consumption, ignition tuning, air flow tuning, fuel add/trim tuning, etc. Anything at all... hp improvements. :_:

 

[meg_omen]

E-Manage or Protech

sifus,
i know that the 2 couldn't be compared cause Protech is standalone and E-Manage is a piggyback but...
i'm using toyota 4AFE auto and might be converting to 4AGE BT, my question is if i install one of them, how's the cost and hassle to re-install or re-tune the item once i've convert.
btw, what's the cost for Protect?
thanks all for feedback.

 

[cipan_supercas]

I would choose Protech or megasquirt rather than E-manage for ease of future upgrade/mod. E-manage is only for minor works.

 

[ecupro]

meg_omen,
Since your 4AFE is auto, i believe this auto transmission is mechanical like Proton Wira 1.5 auto. So, the stock ecu only control the engine.
But, if you install BT with auto ( with same unit ), the stock ecu will control the engine and auto-transmission. No like Proton Wira 1.6, which is two ecu, one for engine and one for auto-transmission.
So, the stand alone unit can not support this stock ecu. ( i.e. also control the auto-transmission )
So, for my point of view, the only way is piggy back, like "the blue"

Unless, you want to change to manual transmission!

Good Luck.

 

[Joeker]

meg_omen,
Since your 4AFE is auto, i believe this auto transmission is mechanical like Proton Wira 1.5 auto. So, the stock ecu only control the engine.
But, if you install BT with auto ( with same unit ), the stock ecu will control the engine and auto-transmission. No like Proton Wira 1.6, which is two ecu, one for engine and one for auto-transmission.
So, the stand alone unit can not support this stock ecu. ( i.e. also control the auto-transmission )
So, for my point of view, the only way is piggy back, like "the blue"

Unless, you want to change to manual transmission!

Good Luck.

If not mistaken, BT auto tranny does not require signal from ECU.

Therefore, need not worry if the standalone unit concern involves auto tranny or not,

Please check to confirm.

 

[meg_omen]

4age

thanks for the feedback, but info a bit conflicting...
what if my route of mod is
- upgrade ECU to my 4AFE Auto (moght be Protech or E-Manage)
- convert to 4AGE BT Auto (should be MAP)
- upgrade to TODA internal - cam, piston etc.

base on the above which will be better, for cost effectiveness and easy re-tune etc. been going to Trial SgBesi, which make me keen to go for TODA. just that i want to fully utilise my current 4AFE.

 

[ecupro]

Joeker,
You quote:
"If not mistaken, BT auto tranny does not require signal from ECU.

Therefore, need not worry if the standalone unit concern involves auto tranny or not,

Please check to confirm"

Sorry to ask, what is mean by "auto tranny" ?

 

[Joeker]

Auto Tranny = Automatic Transmission.

 

[ecupro]

Joeker,
You quote:
"If not mistaken, BT auto tranny does not require signal from ECU.

Therefore, need not worry if the standalone unit concern involves auto tranny or not,

Please check to confirm"

Thanks.

You quote:
"If not mistaken, BT auto tranny does not require signal from ECU."

I call up my friend or "Si Fu" who do on auto transmission in Ipoh.
He say the BT auto transmision have 3 selonoids to control changing gear ( half mechanical and half electronic ). These selonoids is connect to stock ecu which is also control engine ( i.e. same unit or one ecu to control engine and also auto transmission )

So, the stand alone unit can not fit on auto transmision.

So, the only way out is install piggy back unit.

Good Luck.

 

[DJ-LanEvo3]

Need help on E-manage, SAFC (plz read it once)

Hi guys...
For the first of all... I love modification.. because I like something which is
only in this world.. even though I buy one of million cars.. I wanted it to be
special and unique. because I can tune it and modify as my preference.

However I will leave to another country that I can not simply modify because of
lack of technology... it's sad thing...
Currently I'm running with E-manage which can control and adjust
Air Fuel Ratio and Ignition Timing.. but once I go that place ECU tuning is very inconvenience and expensive...

I know it is not that simple thing that we can simply learn how to tune the
ECU but at least.. I would like to learn how to tune at least
Air Fuel Ratio and Ignition Timing.
I might be able to rent dyno machine ( pay it for an hour something like that..
not borrowing from certain place haha)
then I can bring my lap top to tune it... is there any user guide book or
academy or anything I can learn it ?
I know it sounds bit reckless but.. I really wish to try this myself oneday..
at least.. tune Air Fuel Ratio and Ignition Timing...

Please share ur precious info...

Thank u in advance..

 

[jinkl]

can introduce u to someone where u can learn slowly
bt then depends whether he is free or not
and i mean just help around while he does his tuning
u dont need a dyno machine to tune ur car
all u need is the road and a driver to do it

 

[DJ-LanEvo3]

I'm glad to hear that...
May I know who that person is... I just wondering.. the person
that we met in TT last time?
Please let me know bro.. bit urgent.. my time is very limited...

 

[140dB]

yo dj
i was like u about a year ago.
i welded and fabbed a turbokit for my car.project took about a year to complete (its still not over though.) luckyly i knew some wiring so i hooked up emanage.
my advise.
if u are running a turbo, keep the a/f at full throttle/load at around 11 or slightly more.never use extra injectors for additional fuelling. most n/a's make their best hp at around 12.5 or so depends.
a dyno is the best way to learn. on road is not as punishing so you need a proper place to drive around. you will also need an experienced driver around or train someone who can keep a constant load and know when to stop blowing ur turbo engine. a dyno can keep a constant load easily, so you need and even more experienced driver. its much easier to blow ur engine on the dyno than on the road.
make sure your car setup is mechanically sound and dyno worthy. dont waste the nice peoples time.
look for a shop which has a dyno. make friends with the people in charge. i expect you to get used to the emanage software already.....you shouldnt pay more than rm200 or so per hour for the dyno and driver. brother rates can be a little lower.....
if ur setup is working good, you should take about and hour on the dyno to setup a proper a/f for bolt on turbokit. another hour can do wonders for your ignition timing and fuel trims.....

have fun. take care

 

[DJ-LanEvo3]

140dB.
TQ for ur precious comments.. but I'm yet good in those tuning things but
still... a beginner.. maybe I didn't study and learn it properly... most probably..
I will quit my job and spend 1 month to concentrate on this study I guess...
Plz check ur PM..

 

[jinkl]

140dB.
TQ for ur precious comments.. but I'm yet good in those tuning things but
still... a beginner.. maybe I didn't study and learn it properly... most probably..
I will quit my job and spend 1 month to concentrate on this study I guess...
Plz check ur PM..

learning to play with the tuning software wouldnt be the greatest deal
bt the thing is that , mostly all the tuners already do know or experience on
how the car really runs , what kind of sensors , wiring system and etc
these are all hard to be learned in a short time , summore every car has its own
wiring which would be unique from other cars , they could be running on MAP , MAF , MAS ... diffrent set of ingition coils , they triggering could be from CAS , crank angle , and so many more...

 

[EG6SiRT?]

jinkl,
u know how much max boost can the std b16 map sensor take? if u cheat here n there i herd max is 1.1 to 1.2 bar? is it true?

 

[ftzone]

learning to play with the tuning software wouldnt be the greatest deal
bt the thing is that , mostly all the tuners already do know or experience on
how the car really runs , what kind of sensors , wiring system and etc
these are all hard to be learned in a short time , summore every car has its own
wiring which would be unique from other cars , they could be running on MAP , MAF , MAS ... diffrent set of ingition coils , they triggering could be from CAS , crank angle , and so many more...

yeah... that's why some tuning places are well known for certain models only.
say; shop A good in tuning vtec turbo, shop B best for Nissans, shop C only good for Proton Rojak and the list go on.. seldom can get 1 tuner which is expert in all makes and models. you may be good in japanese cars.. but u may suck in building a good powerful alfa romeo

 

[ultimatevolution7]

140db, looks like your ZTH profle has been hacked, just like mine

 

[140dB]

yah man...
wtf. how bad can things be...
just popped a leak on my radiator, head gasket, noisy dshaft, and now clutch slip.

the pains of doubling engine torque



lanevo- like i said, get a good book, find out everything about ur engine bay. most hi po engine from the past two centuries use electronic fuel and ignition engine control, so it pays to read up some simple electronics. good luck.

eg6turbs- i dunno what the max the stock sensor can take. but i put an aquarium one way valve wif a 1/4 turn valve to bleed excess boost from the map sensor. put a tee to the line. it hasnt messed up the vacuum signals on my car so far, and is one of the cheapest mod i've done. i plan to change to a festo aluminium 1 way valve. brushed alu looks superb compared to the plastic fishtank valve, but uses leceh m5 pneumatic fittings and costs rm75 from the festo dealer.

 

[EG6SiRT?]

140db..
Thanks...but thats my main concern, so that it wont mess my vacuum, but worry not, coz i just got a fren who have aftermarket map sensor and willing to part with it!
wuts the best material for a turbo return hose be?? put away steel braided(no go)...
maybe silicone? or any other?