Which engine is the most powerful 1.6 engine?

[Lee Kee Mun]

if u got the money,u can make any engine the most powerful in their category.Its all about the money money money.....Even for a proton engine u can soup it up all the way.

 

[semangka]

if u got the money,u can make any engine the most powerful in their category.Its all about the money money money.....Even for a proton engine u can soup it up all the way.

try come out with a more constructive input mah...statement involving money is killing the discussion lohhh...

 

[Mizi2.0]

So long I have not posted anything. But I try to explain from a non-expert point of view. But first...it would help if the thread starter be more specific about the point of this discussion. Is it for a project swap? Wikipedia has tons of information about engine spec figures or you could go here Browser Warning and use the search function to find any infos about engines.

Now for any engine regardless of capacity usually make 70-80% of 100hp/liter in NA form(for 1.6 liter it would be around 110-120hp). This is would be consider standard tune with 10:1 compression ratio(typical for NA) with no tech whatsoever. To break the 100hp/liter mark in NA tune requires increasing the compression ratio, run high cams and high revving. But this will sacrifice drivability and only suitable for track purposes.

Now lets talk about technology such as variable valve timing and lift
(made famous by honda), direct fuel injection(such as VW,s FSI). They help manufacturers to make engine that's not only powerful but fuel efficient as well. So any engines that have these kind of technologies will have good spec figures.

And finally forced induction. You can go crazy with forced induction with insane figures(for 1.6 litre, 160hp and above is normal for forced induction) but again at the sacrifice of drivability i.e turbos are laggy at low rev and supercharger are parasitic at high rev. But now manufacturers seem to be able to design engine combining all the technology like variable geometry turbo, variable valve timing, direct fuel injection and harmonizing it to create powerful yet fuel efficient engines plus low carbon emissions. Volkwagen even manage to perfected twincharging. It used to be forced induction engine have to run 8.0:1 compression ratio but with direct fuel injection a forced induction engine can go with 10:1 CR.

For my pick of best street 1.6 litre engine that is still runnning; Ford 1.6 litre ecoboost or BMW's Prince in JCW Mini/Pug RCZ. For past engines that have been discontinued; Honda B16B, Mitsu 4G92 MIVEC. If you the ultimate 1.6 engine, wait for 2013 F1 season as they will be using 1.6 v6 turbo engines.

 

[henry4563]

try come out with a more constructive input mah...statement involving money is killing the discussion lohhh...

i agree with you, we're here to share about our knowledge regarding engine, not money. thanks

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lets get the language right hehehe, well im confused already..... when we say which is the most powerful engine, what do we look into? the higher bhp? or the higher torque?

1. if a car produces 200bhp with 95lb torque....... is it gonna be powerful?
2. if a car produces 95bhp with 200lb torque........is it more powerful?


from experience, a high revving engine like vtec/mivec engine lacks torque, so pick up horrible but highrev of course nice.... is this powerful?
from experience also, an L200s engine which is a small 660cc engine with hp of just 90++ but with 170lb torque have super great pick ups but high rev sucks.....is this powerful?

muahahah im confuse..........
ps: there are also many other factors excluded here, say weight of the car, transmission, etc....

okay i feel so sorry for confusing you, alright i'm saying the stock ratio of power, all the manufacture will balance their car/engine power with certain ratio. For example 100bhp with 70ib torque( just an example)


---------- Post added at 10:12 AM ---------- 6 hour anti-bump limit - Previous post was at 10:06 AM ----------

huhu...so u mean there's no turbo engine for 1.6cc? owhh....

anyway, for smaller cc engine especially 1.6cc and below anything with force induction should have more edge compared to NA, IMHO. i'm not gonna elaborate much, but think of the power to weight advantage of force induction compared to NA on a small+compact car, as u know most car manufacturer won't be putting a 1.6cc engine into a bigger size car. even if they would, it would be rather underpowered or it's intended for non-performance car like those mpv/wagon.

different story if the question applied to bigger displacement and more cylinders, that would be another story worth to be discussed.

haha! bro he dint say that there's no turbo engine for 1.6cc. Just we're discussing about natural aspiration engine :)) chillax and cheerrrrr!!

 

[beatnik]

this topic has been covered before.. those powerful 1.6 na engines are old news.. gone are the days of high-revving affordable cars.. with the strict emissions regulation, today's 1.6l engine are somewhat slow-poke

let's talk about powerful 1.6l NA engines that are IN PRODUCTION now..

i think hyundai's 1.6 gdi engine is the most powerful.. 138 HP at 6,300 rpm and maximum torque of 123 lb.-ft. at 4,850 rpm.
suzuki m16a (udpdated as in new swift sport) now around 135hp?
campro cps r3.. how many hp? this one can kira or not.. since it is has upgrades

anybody else can add in?

dont tok about 1.6 turbo laa

 

[^pomen_GTR^]

campro cps r3 145bhp...can count maybe because its rolled out from official factory??? :hmmmm:

 

[henry4563]

this topic has been covered before.. those powerful 1.6 na engines are old news.. gone are the days of high-revving affordable cars.. with the strict emissions regulation, today's 1.6l engine are somewhat slow-poke

let's talk about powerful 1.6l NA engines that are IN PRODUCTION now..

i think hyundai's 1.6 gdi engine is the most powerful.. 138 HP at 6,300 rpm and maximum torque of 123 lb.-ft. at 4,850 rpm.
suzuki m16a (udpdated as in new swift sport) now around 135hp?
campro cps r3.. how many hp? this one can kira or not.. since it is has upgrades

anybody else can add in?

dont tok about 1.6 turbo laa

haha! but dude, the new engine nowadays, is made for better fuel consumption and the manufacture they lock up Quite of lot of the maximum power from the engine itself. And its not as powerful from the engine back at 90'. Agree? haha! and hmm i think the campro cps R3 engine is quite potential? i believe that people can squeeze a lot of power out of it :) :top:

 

[Lee Kee Mun]

hahahaa laa bros,u didnt mention production engines,i thought customize engine would be included.anyway...i'll leave u guys with the facts and figures of the technical data sheets that u all have.cheers.

 

[vr2turbo]

If 1.6 turbo, then no more 1.6 already. With forced induction, it is like 2.4 engine.....