Choice of Project Car

[Izso]

Less should be more expensive, right?

Not really. The higher the demand, the more expensive it is. That's not saying the DC2 is cheap mind you. It's quite old but still commands 50k more or less.. That's not a small amount!

 

[pwhyze]

There's one thing that puzzles me. At mudah, I saw DC2 (or even converted DC2) selling at around 40k-60k. But when I searched for EK9, many converted ones are selling more expensive than DC2. Ranging from around 50k-70k. Why? EK9 is better than DC2?

More popular with the Honda crowd, certainly.

Better? Depends. EK9 comes with 1.6 liter engines compared to 1.8 liters in the DC2R, but I think it's widely touted that the EK9's chassis is slightly superior.

EVO magazine and a recent poll in Speedhunters still regard DC2R as the best FWD car ever made though, ahead of the EK9.

I'm comparing Type Rs to Type Rs la..not converted ones. Some regard their cars converted but most of the times it's all cosmetics. Engines and chassis (especially chassis) are ignored, unfortunately.

I think setting a budget and a realistic horsepower target would help a whole lot to figure out what car is suitable. Without those figure, it's starting to feel like we're taking shots in the dark now...

 

[autumnoct08]

Any ideas for Mazda 1.5 project?

 

[RENESIS VIII]

Not really. The higher the demand, the more expensive it is. That's not saying the DC2 is cheap mind you. It's quite old but still commands 50k more or less.. That's not a small amount!

If that is the case, I'll be going for the DC2 instead of EK9 if I had the opportunity. DC2 looks more sport car like compared to EK9. DC2's design looks better than EK9 too in my opinion.

More popular with the Honda crowd, certainly.

Better? Depends. EK9 comes with 1.6 liter engines compared to 1.8 liters in the DC2R, but I think it's widely touted that the EK9's chassis is slightly superior.

EVO magazine and a recent poll in Speedhunters still regard DC2R as the best FWD car ever made though, ahead of the EK9.

I'm comparing Type Rs to Type Rs la..not converted ones. Some regard their cars converted but most of the times it's all cosmetics. Engines and chassis (especially chassis) are ignored, unfortunately.

I think setting a budget and a realistic horsepower target would help a whole lot to figure out what car is suitable. Without those figure, it's starting to feel like we're taking shots in the dark now...

Out there, many have already swapped B18C Type R into their EK9 or converted ones already. About engine performance between the two, it doesn't matter much anymore since transplanting B18C Type R into EK9 is not a difficult task. What I'm more interested to know is about the chassis performance and handling. Which is better? Let's say both of them are using B18C Type R.

 

[pwhyze]

EK9's better but they are pretty similiar, so it goes down to preference. DC2R is a bit more tail happy in the corners compared to EK9, which is more stable and neutral.

DC2R chassis spec is divided to two, 98spec with thicker roll bars, bigger brakes, and slightly tweaked spring rate compared with the 96spec. Even weight is similar (EK9 (with B16B) - 1090kg vs DC2R 98spec - 1080kg)

I would say the difference between the two is small if both are installed with B18CRs so going for the one with the better looks wouldn't be the wrong way to go about it.

Though, ori EK9s are much harder to come by in Malaysia compared to DC2R. Most are half-hearted converted ones.

 

[RENESIS VIII]

EK9's better but they are pretty similiar, so it goes down to preference. DC2R is a bit more tail happy in the corners compared to EK9, which is more stable and neutral.

DC2R chassis spec is divided to two, 98spec with thicker roll bars, bigger brakes, and slightly tweaked spring rate compared with the 96spec. Even weight is similar (EK9 (with B16B) - 1090kg vs DC2R 98spec - 1080kg)

I would say the difference between the two is small if both are installed with B18CRs so going for the one with the better looks wouldn't be the wrong way to go about it.

Though, ori EK9s are much harder to come by in Malaysia compared to DC2R. Most are half-hearted converted ones.

Thanks for the info. Both of them are using double wishbone suspension as well. Just wondering, will it be legal to transplant K20A into DC2? 1.8cc to 2.0cc should be ok by JPJ's standard...

 

[pwhyze]

Yep, fully legal. A few EKs and EGS running around with K series as well. Never heard of one in DC2 in Malaysia yet though.

 

[Izso]

K20A? Wah... good luck finding a 'reasonably' priced one. That's one mega expensive engine. Awesome.. but expensive

 

[RENESIS VIII]

Yep, fully legal. A few EKs and EGS running around with K series as well. Never heard of one in DC2 in Malaysia yet though.

But EG and EK their max cc for their original is 1.6cc only. I thought there is a percentage limit of how much can the new engine cc exceed the older one?

K20A? Wah... good luck finding a 'reasonably' priced one. That's one mega expensive engine. Awesome.. but expensive

Wait till K20A's price drop in future then.

 

[wira_laju]

how about "temasik "cars..
NISSAN FAIRLADY MANUAL YEAR 2005 @ RM33K
HONDA INTEGRA 2.0 YEAR 2005 @ RM22K
SUBARU IMPREZA VER8 2.0m @ RM21K
i know it illegal,but ts want to use at track right?

 

[pwhyze]

But EG and EK their max cc for their original is 1.6cc only. I thought there is a percentage limit of how much can the new engine cc exceed the older one?

Yep, certain percentage. Around 20% I think,not sure. If 20%, so it'll come to 1.9 liter.....can round up then?

Wait till K20A's price drop in future then.

Join the line, I've been waiting for quite awhile....haha

 

[cRazYee]

how about "temasik "cars..
NISSAN FAIRLADY MANUAL YEAR 2005 @ RM33K
HONDA INTEGRA 2.0 YEAR 2005 @ RM22K
SUBARU IMPREZA VER8 2.0m @ RM21K
i know it illegal,but ts want to use at track right?

what does it mean by "termasik"?

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what's the market price for complete K20A + harness + gearbox + everything necessary?

 

[RENESIS VIII]

Yep, certain percentage. Around 20% I think,not sure. If 20%, so it'll come to 1.9 liter.....can round up then?




Join the line, I've been waiting for quite awhile....haha

I think it is by 25% or 35%. Not cant remember well. K series engine had more torque than the older B series engine which is good.

what does it mean by "termasik"?

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what's the market price for complete K20A + harness + gearbox + everything necessary?

Temasik suppose to be Singapore's old name right? I've read that in History (Sejarah) textbook before.

 

[Izso]

what's the market price for complete K20A + harness + gearbox + everything necessary?

The engine alone probably will be in the RM7000 region.

 

[RENESIS VIII]

http://www.mudah.my/Honda+Intergra+DC5+Type+R+K20A+Half+Cut+6+Speed-20370749.htm

http://www.mudah.my/DC5+K20A+Type+R+half+cut+with+Brembo+Brake-20998444.htm

Found some at mudah. From DC5. Seems like the price is around 15k-20k for a halfcut

 

[cRazYee]

http://www.mudah.my/Honda+Intergra+DC5+Type+R+K20A+Half+Cut+6+Speed-20370749.htm

http://www.mudah.my/DC5+K20A+Type+R+half+cut+with+Brembo+Brake-20998444.htm

Found some at mudah. From DC5. Seems like the price is around 15k-20k for a halfcut

what's the legislation about importing part from oversea? i think it's cheap from UK, or maybe it's in pounds, it feels cheaper

 

[YellowFlash]

what's the legislation about importing part from oversea? i think it's cheap from UK, or maybe it's in pounds, it feels cheaper

so TS, u decided on ur car yet?

 

[RENESIS VIII]

what's the legislation about importing part from oversea? i think it's cheap from UK, or maybe it's in pounds, it feels cheaper

Eh? Why UK if you are getting JDM car parts?

 

[ColdPlay]

Altezza with 1JZ-GTE is decent. For NA, VTEC offer the affordability and performance too!
Project car should be based on good chassis / handling.

 

[cRazYee]

so TS, u decided on ur car yet?

to be honest, this topic isnt about I'm getting the car or not. Currently financial situation doesn't approve that.

this is more about we discuss, what kind of project car we can have in malaysia.
with zero tradeoff for performance

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Altezza with 1JZ-GTE is decent. For NA, VTEC offer the affordability and performance too!
Project car should be based on good chassis / handling.

well spoken, good chassis / handling is very important.

we can make any trash car fast, but does the chassis worth spending time and cash on it?