Reasons NA>Turbo

[Yong_5290]

oh come on...they comes equipped with engine oil cooler....and the nsx has engine up in its ass

 

[BE5RSK]

yeah it's equipped with engine oil cooler... and it's factory fitted. It's common nowadays...

 

[s1tl]

i haz the best answer!

Because VTEC owns quite turbo cars (especially local cars), pawning turbo with NA the feeling is orgasmic xD

 

[aja]

I've been driving and owned both NA-Vtec (R version) and 4 Wheel turbo cars.

IMO, in real life real turbo car is more fun to drive. Immediate torque..anytime, anywhere! whereas for NA, the engine seems 'struggling' to produce the required torque.

Other than that, NA & turbo car shared the same pro and cons and it's actually really depend on owner luck.

 

[kumar22mostwanted]

I've been driving and owned both NA-Vtec (R version) and 4 Wheel turbo cars.

IMO, in real life real turbo car is more fun to drive. Immediate torque..anytime, anywhere! whereas for NA, the engine seems 'struggling' to produce the required torque.

Other than that, NA & turbo car shared the same pro and cons and it's actually really depend on owner luck.

what do u mean owner's luck exactly???:hmmmm::hmmmm::hmmmm:

 

[Yong_5290]

is it...i feel like turbo go over speed bump then when throttle back the lag is just sienzzz...1 more thing tat video all honda using stock oil,stock pads...all stock

 

[pangyau]

bencys,
Thanks for the video... love to drive stock car so could maintain the durability.
Been into turbo wannabe... but end up loosing money due to lack of knowledge.
After driving the real made turbo car... can feel the different power...

For myself, I choose NA (small car) for daily drive in town.
Then for long distance (inter town, state or country) love to ride Turbo.
But I unable to choose both coz I only have the turbo...

For me stock NA vs stock turbo will never ending story.
It all depend on personal preference...

At the moment I wish to have small NA due to fuel price spike...
Stock Turbo fuel consumption very high for in town usage (never high ramp & no speeding).
I like turbo coz easily to overtake the car & feel more secure.

 

[lazybass]

turbo got lottt of torque.. especially scooby. My preference is N/A

 

[aja]

what do u mean owner's luck exactly???:hmmmm::hmmmm::hmmmm:

Luck in term of quality of the respective cars purchase and managing it.

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bencys,
Thanks for the video... love to drive stock car so could maintain the durability.
Been into turbo wannabe... but end up loosing money due to lack of knowledge.
After driving the real made turbo car... can feel the different power...

For myself, I choose NA (small car) for daily drive in town.
Then for long distance (inter town, state or country) love to ride Turbo.
But I unable to choose both coz I only have the turbo...

For me stock NA vs stock turbo will never ending story.
It all depend on personal preference...

At the moment I wish to have small NA due to fuel price spike...
Stock Turbo fuel consumption very high for in town usage (never high ramp & no speeding).
I like turbo coz easily to overtake the car & feel more secure.

I purposely bought for myself a 2007 Kelisa SE Auto during the RM2.75 fuel price hike last year.
Cheap car.
Very low maintenance.
RM10 Ron95 would last up to 85km (mixed driving & speeding. Full throtle would give u a max speed of 160khm flat.)
Auto somemore (as all of my cars are manual).
..but during that time, it's very2 hard to get one (especially auto). Now not sure.

The car still with me until now...hehehehe. Served me well so far! Mine is black color.

The model as same as below -

http://www.mudah.my/Perodua+kelisa+1+0+auto+se+06-6913057.htm

http://www.mudah.my/Perodua+kelisa+1+0+special+edition+auto-7744932.htm

It worth to buy Kelisa actually. If you intend to buy one, make sure to choose the final SE model.

The handling much2 better than normal Kelisa plus comes with stock so call "sports" seat! hehehehe

 

[aja]

Forgot to mentioned that Kelisa is also call as "headache free" car. Can park anywhere u want even though the parking is full, easily cilok-ing via emergency lane (if necessary-emergency case) during heavy traffic time etc and can put 4 unit of 235/45/17 rims with tyre in it!! hehehehehehe

Good secondhand Kelisa tyre (YM 2008 above) will only cost you only RM30-RM50 per unit, depends on luck. New one Yokohama A1 R-Drive will cost u RM110 per pc.
Normal 5k km lubricant service with Idemitsu oil will cost you only RM60.
Gear oil changed with Penzoil for each 20k km will only cost you RM45.
Annual roadtax only RM30!! Insurance ikut nasib. As for me my insurance if only RM450 after 55% NCB!
Brake-pad cost me around RM30 kot (even my scooter lagi mahal)
Those timing belt etc depend on case la..normally cost RM400 all in kot, donno also. Never change yet.

Bottomline - Kelisa is just a "start and go" car. No need to wait for the engine warm-up what-so-ever. Very low maintenance.

Should u really serious to buy one, the reasons why I said u should try to buy the SE model as compared to the earlier model (or normal model ["NM"]) due to the following :

1) The seat positioning a bit cramp..towards the door on the NM. The SE model seat
positioning is much better;
2) The ratio or the ECU set-up is much different. NM would have a top-speed of only
140kmh (floored, tested few times) whereas the SE model topped at 160kmh. But the
low end for SE model is a bit underpowered;
3) Stock suspension for SE model is a bit stiffer compared to NM. U will feel those NM model
floating at 140khm, but not on the SE model; and
4) You will look more handsome on the SE model...hehehehe

I used to owned NM for few months, after that re-buy the SE model. That where my observations came from.

The only obsacle that I noted was the price never came down. i remembered I bought my YM 2004 NM Silver Kelisa auto in 2008 for RM25k and few months later (Feb 2009) buy the 2007 SE model auto at RM30k (friend's friend daughter car).
Surprisingly the price now still at RM30k plus2...

 

[kumar22mostwanted]

Forgot to mentioned that Kelisa is also call as "headache free" car. Can park anywhere u want even though the parking is full, easily cilok-ing via emergency lane (if necessary-emergency case) during heavy traffic time etc and can put 4 unit of 235/45/17 rims with tyre in it!! hehehehehehe

Good secondhand Kelisa tyre (YM 2008 above) will only cost you only RM30-RM50 per unit, depends on luck. New one Yokohama A1 R-Drive will cost u RM110 per pc.
Normal 5k km lubricant service with Idemitsu oil will cost you only RM60.
Gear oil changed with Penzoil for each 20k km will only cost you RM45.
Annual roadtax only RM30!! Insurance ikut nasib. As for me my insurance if only RM450 after 55% NCB!
Brake-pad cost me around RM30 kot (even my scooter lagi mahal)
Those timing belt etc depend on case la..normally cost RM400 all in kot, donno also. Never change yet.

Bottomline - Kelisa is just a "start and go" car. No need to wait for the engine warm-up what-so-ever. Very low maintenance.

Should u really serious to buy one, the reasons why I said u should try to buy the SE model as compared to the earlier model (or normal model ["NM"]) due to the following :

1) The seat positioning a bit cramp..towards the door on the NM. The SE model seat
positioning is much better;
2) The ratio or the ECU set-up is much different. NM would have a top-speed of only
140kmh (floored, tested few times) whereas the SE model topped at 160kmh. But the
low end for SE model is a bit underpowered;
3) Stock suspension for SE model is a bit stiffer compared to NM. U will feel those NM model
floating at 140khm, but not on the SE model; and
4) You will look more handsome on the SE model...hehehehe

I used to owned NM for few months, after that re-buy the SE model. That where my observations came from.

The only obsacle that I noted was the price never came down. i remembered I bought my YM 2004 NM Silver Kelisa auto in 2008 for RM25k and few months later (Feb 2009) buy the 2007 SE model auto at RM30k (friend's friend daughter car).
Surprisingly the price now still at RM30k plus2...

WOW kelisa really sounds like an awesome daily drive car :top:
Point A to Point B no worries

 

[fitrik]

may be they can easily quote:
wow I have smoked the turbo car yeahh (if win)
oklah...its only NA what......(if lost)

 

[kumar22mostwanted]

may be they can easily quote:
wow I have smoked the turbo car yeahh (if win)
oklah...its only NA what......(if lost)

hahah yeah quite unfair aso
if N/A beat turbo car the N/A owner will be over the moon and rub it in the turbo car owner's face
but if lose just straight blame the lack of a turbocharger in the N/A car :stupid:

 

[TitanRev]

This is the reason I like NA..Just listen to those sound...
YouTube - Battles at 10,000rpm - Hot Version International

YouTube - Ultimate vtec battle! NA Battle @ 10000 rpm

 

[NukeeZoid]

may be they can easily quote:
wow I have smoked the turbo car yeahh (if win)
oklah...its only NA what......(if lost)

 

[pangyau]

aja,

Thanks for the advice...
Coz a friend of mine (E6) also use Kelisa for his daily ride.

Any Kelisa (Auto) should be no prob base on my assumtion... little mode can be done.
Such as ECU tuning + suspension + lighter rims far more good to me.
As long can run fun drive + hassle free + parking easy + low fuel consumption in congested town. Still figuring out to buy 1 unit of it...

Sorry out of topic

 

[aja]

aja,

Thanks for the advice...
Coz a friend of mine (E6) also use Kelisa for his daily ride.

Any Kelisa (Auto) should be no prob base on my assumtion... little mode can be done.
Such as ECU tuning + suspension + lighter rims far more good to me.
As long can run fun drive + hassle free + parking easy + low fuel consumption in congested town. Still figuring out to buy 1 unit of it...

Sorry out of topic

True. Better get one fast!! hehehe

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WOW kelisa really sounds like an awesome daily drive car :top:
Point A to Point B no worries

Really no worries!! hehehehe
No worries of everything (worst nightmare of car broken into & stolen) hehehe

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may be they can easily quote:
wow I have smoked the turbo car yeahh (if win)
oklah...its only NA what......(if lost)

So far, the first quote (in bold) always belong to me !! kekekekeke
Never be at second quote yet (when driving my NA car)

Last 2 weeks on LPT (Kuantan-KL) - Encounter with black Version8 (WKU *3)
Last night PLUS Hway (Ipoh-KL) - Encounter with 5 series (model before E39). Donno what
Nissan engine inside but with huge intercooler..

Both cars kepaishhh kepaiiishhh SO IRRITATING!?!!

Wonder why those T cars wanna "play" with the bulky NA car?:hmmmm::hmmmm::hmmmm::hmmmm: kekekekeke

 

[Yong_5290]

aja seems to be a kelisa salesman yea? hahahaha

i would rather go for viva,1st of all bigger space,better safety with abs and airbag and of
coz the dvvt engine

but anyway,this is a integra forum,why got kelisa swimming around here? integras all sharks la eheheheh

 

[jd5]

Since this is turning into a 'buy a kelisa' thread, I'm sharing my recent experience scouting for a 2nd hand Kelisa for my sis recently.

I test drove a few and I think it is a nippy, easy to drive car with good pick up. Handling so so only la but it has a very good 2nd hand market value. Imagine a 2004/2005 Kelisa model is priced almost on par with a 2002 Waja.

So forget about turbos and what not, and get a Kelisa.

 

[NukeeZoid]

Since this is turning into a 'buy a kelisa' thread, I'm sharing my recent experience scouting for a 2nd hand Kelisa for my sis recently.

I test drove a few and I think it is a nippy, easy to drive car with good pick up. Handling so so only la but it has a very good 2nd hand market value. Imagine a 2004/2005 Kelisa model is priced almost on par with a 2002 Waja.

So forget about turbos and what not, and get a Kelisa.

i'm selling my DC5 and buying 3 Kelisas.